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You're listening to,

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It's a podcast about V4V. We ask the hard-hitting questions.

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We deliver the information. What is helipad?

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Um, okay. Um, uh... V4V Roundtable Podcast.

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And now, Canada's foremost leading pseudo-intellectual, Jimmy V.

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Hello, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls. Welcome to the V4V Roundtable podcast.

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I'm Jimmy V, and I'm joined today by Sir Libre, Sir TJ the Raffle,

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and Randy Black. Now we'll start over again.

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Sir TJ the Raffle of the Doerfelverse fame. How the heck are you doing, brother?

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Hey, guys. Glad to be here.

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Sir Libre from Lightning Thrashes is what's new.

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What's new? There's a lot that's new. It's been over a year since we've had

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an episode, so we've got a lot to catch up on. So, yeah, I'm here.

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I thought it was the last week we did this. It seemed like Randy Black from...

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Now, did you change the name of your show?

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I thought it was the M2H2 Music Show, but...

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M2H2 is the abbreviation. Mountain Music Happy Hour. Because I live in West

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Virginia, and where West Virginia is, the Mountain State.

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So that's where I came up with the name. And I was going mostly with their abbreviation

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for a while. But when I changed artwork and stuff, I'm like, you know what?

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Let's kick back to the other name, see how it goes. And if people want to still

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call it M2H2, more power to them. I just love what I love.

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The odds are I'll forget all about it in a matter of a minute.

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But that's not, don't take it personally.

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So here we are. My plan is already not working.

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I'm going to have to, I had some ideas and stuff about what I was going to do.

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And I was going to use my phone to do some stuff.

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And now I can't because, of course, I'm using my phone to do this stuff.

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And so I'm just proving my worth as a podcast host here.

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I'm quite impressed with myself so far.

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I've managed to use a lot of words and not really say very much at all.

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So I'm quite, you know, obviously you combine that with the long white beard

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and obviously I'm a trusted source for news and information.

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And you can believe everything I say.

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So now that I've pissed up my own rope there, I know Kolomona Sir Libre, he brought notes.

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So let's unleash Kolomona. What are your notes about, brother?

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All right. So first off, I want to mention about what this podcast is all about.

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It's all about just discussing the things that are related to value for value.

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It's the round table. It's not just the three of us plus a guest.

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It's the three of us plus a guest plus the chat room, the troll room,

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where we can communicate about anything in the value verse that we're interested in.

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But I did want to bring up, since it's been over a year, I have some headlines

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that have happened in the value for value word. If you bear with me, I'll just read them off.

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And this is what's happened. It's the history in V4V for the last year.

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Um, Albie changed the way that their wallets worked and that screwed everything up.

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Fountain did step up with their wallets and they joined the nostr team,

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which is actually a good thing and a bad thing.

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It's a, it's not a bad thing. It's just a good thing, but it's complicated.

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Wavlake has made some improvements regarding splits and other things that they

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do. Um, but there's still a one walled garden.

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You still cannot listen to, uh, Sir Spencer's music on Wavlake.

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Steven Bell has revamped Music Side Project and he's now offering a way for

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musicians to host super cheap via bunny.net which is really cool,

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Steven Bell's also working on the split box, which is going to be the future

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of wallets, for better or for worse, in my opinion, worse, but whatever,

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that'll allow V4V apps in the nostr world to be able to do proper splits.

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It's something he's working on.

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Bitcoin hits $100,000 and Boostagram virtually drop coming in.

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They just went away. I don't know why.

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Uh live events like the satellite skirmish live events

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like the satellite skirmish and Boostagram Ball bringing a ton

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of satoshis for the for the artists but sadly

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not enough to pay for the venue so that's pretty much my year in review of value

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for value I don't know I probably left a lot of things out there but that's

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what I could come up with on the wait wait wait but did you build a node oh

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but did I build a node yes I did let's go I built a node.

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Yeah well you know what that is you know what that is when you build a node

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right you know what everyone says,

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it's a step in the right direction after all after all it's a step in the right

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direction it's a step in the right direction after all.

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I'd say it's a step in the right direction as a podcaster but

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what about you randy did you build a node um I've

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had a node you've had a node it's your way ahead of us news

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yeah I've read it I've read a little b-link mini pc with umbral

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on it to get my node going there we go see and I know someone that had surgery

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for nodes on their vocal cords oh but yeah what you mean jimmy you're You're

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probably going to build a node here eventually once you get your studio live.

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Yeah, I'm going to do it with my bare hands.

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No, I'm going to do it all by myself with my bare hands.

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I just got to get him to buy the thing and then I'm gonna go down and cut down the node trees.

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Tomorrow no the plan is for me to build a node for jimmy he's

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just got to uh purchase it and then uh I will

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I will build the node and host it for him so he can

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be sovereign well and like you

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said since we did uh gathered last time l lb get lb or get all b whatever you

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call it sort of changed in a sense it went away in a sense it's a different

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kind of tool and so can I interrupt for a sec just just that well I mean my

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train of thought is completely gone so yeah you please,

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I'm sorry but I'm trying to sort something out you're good and I can't and you

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know me yeah I apologize could you please email me a link to the troll room

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so I could go on my computer and look in the troll. Absolutely.

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Thank you. I'm sorry I interrupted you. I know I'm a dick.

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Go to roundtable v4vroundtable.com. There's a post there that describes exactly what you need to do.

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It's all good. You can't just send me a link for crying out loud.

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Trollroom.io Trollroom.io Thanks.

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All I was going to say It's only getting clear since he's done this, guys. Come on.

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All I was going to say is one of the majors. Actually, I did it on Friday.

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Sorry, Jimmy. Oh, I remember this part.

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Well, the big change has been, I want to know what you guys think.

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Do artists, do artists, hey, easy, don't talk to yourself. You can just think in your head, Jimmy.

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Do artists need to build a node or what are their options?

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And what are your opinions on that randy I'm I'm

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all about being sovereign man I think I'm still working

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on my brother who's putting music out in the value verse my cousin who's putting

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stuff out like guys we need to build you a node we need to set you up so that

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even though you're posting on a wave lake and it's not my favorite place either

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you can automatically have all those sats from wave lake go right to your node

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and then you have full control um I'm I'm all for it I think it's the best bet.

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The problem is we have a lot of non-technical people who are not going to understand

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it. We're going to have to actually step up and do it for people.

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Do it for people or just keep repeating ourselves and giving people little steps in the right direction.

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Cause for the longest time I didn't build a node, you know, I just,

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I just used get all be like, that was what everyone was doing. That's where I started.

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Yeah. Everyone was doing that. It was really simple, easy.

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And, um, and you know, after, uh, all be just was like, Hey,

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we're going to stop this. And I had to update, you know, tons of feeds.

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Um, but building it, what it was, I'll be apocalypse. Thank you. That's what it was.

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And uh but it was really not I

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chad f actually gave me like very simple steps to

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put a node together now if you're a listener and you

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just want to be able to interact and Boostagram it might not be the most

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uh you know straightforward thing to do for

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that even though I still think it's really cool thing to do but

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like you guys said not you know a lot of people are going to do that so

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it's kind of a an area that we're kind of like we're all

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kind of stuck in like what do we do how do we get people you want

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we all want interaction right we all want to if we're

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bringing value our hope is that we receive some

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kind of value back and usually in the form of interaction it's

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not even like we're not doing this for money particularly I mean money's great

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but um it's that the connection from people who are getting value that's that

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is the value oh it's exactly what I just said in my last episode I said I'm

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not doing this show for me this isn't about you sending sats to me through.

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Streaming or through Boostagrams. It's about getting this music out there and you

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supporting those artists.

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Yeah. I do get 5% the way I've got my show set up, but 5% is nothing.

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I mean, I'm, it's not, it doesn't, it doesn't even come close to covering any

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costs I might have for me.

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This is about helping other people to get their stuff out there.

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Yeah. Okay. So my thoughts on, uh, should you have a node? Should you build a node or not?

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I believe that the average everyday Joe doesn't necessarily need a note.

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They can use a custodial wallet like the paid for Albie or they can use fountain,

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which is what I'm recommending right now because it seems to be the only option

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out there. Doesn't true fans also offer that?

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Yeah. I always forget about them because I just forget about true fans.

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If you, if you, if you talk to Sam Sethi, those are not sats.

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Those are true fans tokens.

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They're true fans tokens. Yeah. And so I do have a send them anywhere else.

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I have an issue with that. You can't receive them on that wallet and take them somewhere else.

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Oh, so my thoughts are, hang on, let me finish this thought real fast.

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My thoughts are that if you are a podcaster or a musician, it'll behoove you

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to have a wallet or to have your own node.

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Because you're going to be receiving a lot of satoshis or a lot of stupid streams.

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Not stupid streams, but a lot of streams, a lot of sats coming in.

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And it's better for you to have control over that as a podcaster or a musician.

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But I get it. Like in the beginning, you don't know what you're doing. So do it like how TJ did.

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He didn't set up his note until later, until after he got his feet wet.

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You don't have to do it immediately.

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Because it is – it's not –.

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It's not terribly difficult, but it takes time and it takes a lot of understanding

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and the understanding does not come easily.

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And patience. Now let's, let's not forget the other thing with building a node.

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It opens up a whole world of doing things live. And then do I say it? The helipad.

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Helipad. That's what I'm. Yeah, absolutely.

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But that's, that's a huge thing. I will hear helipad.

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Yeah. I love my helipad um before I ever

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started a note or anything and I was just following podcasts

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man I'm not gonna lie like I loved hearing when

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I sent a Boostagram and I heard uh on

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the on the podcast once you go ding and I'm like oh that was me and

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then later on it's like yeah here's what you know tj said and

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usually something really dumb but yeah it's all

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fun yeah eric pp we got to thank him uh

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dave jones wrote helipad and then eric pp is

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now maintaining it so if it wasn't for him uh maintaining

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helipad we would be in the dark so what I'll be one let's explain

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helipad who wants to do that I I feel

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like libre or randy would be good with that it helipad is

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a a lightning node polar is what we would call it so what it's doing is it's

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looking for transactions um it's looking for transactions coming in or going

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out from your lightning node and if those have a t currently a tlv record uh

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that's going to change in the future once we get this stuff figured out,

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It takes that data and then puts it in a form where you can read it.

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So you can see who sent it. You can see what app they sent it from.

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You can see the amount of Satoshis they sent in the original amount.

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It'll show you the percentage that you got on the split if you have splits set up.

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And if they have sent a message, the message will appear there. It's just awesome.

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Yeah. And so to say that even simpler, just kind of repeat you,

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but in a really simple way, I have a browser window open.

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It's connected to my node. I have helipad open and I can see if someone sends

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a Boostagram right now or if they sent them in the past, there's just a list and I can see them.

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So if you hear that pew pew or whatever sound people have programmed

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and that is a really fun way to interact with

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people um using the lightning network which

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is bitcoin um that's kind of how

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I understand it and it's cool to hear how randy put it because

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his was way more technical and I sort of like I know what you're saying but

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it was also a little bit still like you gotta remember I work in it so you gotta

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remember that yeah you were like oh you knew exactly like you said it directly

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and I'm certainly don't yeah well it's basically a Boostagram gram reader that's

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pretty much it There you go. The Boostagram reader allows you to read your

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Boostagram. It's even in its name.

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It is a Boostagram tracker, is what they call it.

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So it allows you to read your Boostagrams. It seems to me like it would be very,

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very beneficial as an accounting tool, as a statistical tool.

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See, I'll tell you what. I got a lot of Jimmy V music out there and a lot of

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other music that we're hosting, and I can't keep tracking nothing.

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And I have no, like, it's almost impossible to figure out who's Boostagramming what.

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And so absolutely, I'm going to pony up the money and Sir Libre is going to build a node for me.

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And then hopefully I can learn how to use that helipad thing and get that sorted out.

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But there's still, like.

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Um, Sir Libre's year in review of the headlines, they're kind of,

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I would encapsulate that as the wheels kind of fell off.

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Things were rolling along really good. And then the wheels kind of fell off

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and, um, people smarter than me are trying to put the wheels back on and I'm

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sure they'll get it figured out.

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There's a lot of people have a lot of interest, um, in making this work.

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And so you know we kind of have to count on them smart people to figure it out but,

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this like it was quite a blow to have the Albie thing collapse on us that was

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quite a blow not like Albie was that simple to deal with but it certainly kicked me in the pants,

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Sir Libre yeah you want to give a Oh, never mind.

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Somebody who wants to yap off the most right now, because I don't really.

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Well, go ahead, Randy. Looking at everything we've got going on,

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we have a decent number of people who have bought in,

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people to help build the foundation for this, to make this work,

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to, for lack of a better term, and I'm coming from the very heavily involved

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in church and everything.

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To evangelize what we have.

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We need to do that more because we have very, very strong barriers to adoption by the listeners.

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Agreed. I mean, we have technical hurdles that are keeping them from doing it

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because we have, you know, out of all the podcast apps out there,

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we have limited apps to support doing value for value.

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You know, we have, you know, the whole idea of wallets set up.

00:17:15.004 --> 00:17:17.744
It's complex. It's hard. It's confusing. People don't understand it.

00:17:17.984 --> 00:17:23.764
You know, we've got people who are hesitant to do anything because there's concerns

00:17:23.764 --> 00:17:28.804
over transaction fees and what Bitcoin means and how they're going to handle all this stuff.

00:17:29.284 --> 00:17:32.304
You know, we've got psychological barriers people have to deal with.

00:17:32.444 --> 00:17:37.444
You know, look at how long we've had the mindset that podcasts are all free.

00:17:37.644 --> 00:17:41.344
And they are. I mean, everything we're doing, we put out there for free.

00:17:41.684 --> 00:17:46.824
Right. Some people don't want to put the support in. They're expecting ads to be inserted.

00:17:46.984 --> 00:17:51.804
They're expecting this content to be added in there to help the podcaster earn,

00:17:51.944 --> 00:17:54.284
not provide that support directly for themselves.

00:17:54.584 --> 00:18:00.944
You know, the skepticism again with Bitcoin. The, you know, we look at some

00:18:00.944 --> 00:18:03.664
of these agencies and things out there that have these paywalls,

00:18:03.764 --> 00:18:08.864
these subscription models, and listeners don't necessarily,

00:18:09.324 --> 00:18:14.684
you know, with what we do, don't necessarily get immediate feedback for that.

00:18:14.824 --> 00:18:18.524
They don't see consequences for their actions in that if they provide us support

00:18:18.524 --> 00:18:20.824
for us, you know, we've got to make sure we're calling it out.

00:18:20.944 --> 00:18:21.844
We're telling them about it.

00:18:22.444 --> 00:18:26.404
You know, and the biggest thing we need to do is we need to make people aware of what we have.

00:18:26.604 --> 00:18:33.724
I talk to people every single day in my job about what I do in podcasting, what value for value is.

00:18:33.824 --> 00:18:37.964
And I give them success stories of value for value. Heck, no agenda.

00:18:38.304 --> 00:18:41.504
17 plus years that Adam Curry, John C.

00:18:41.544 --> 00:18:46.844
Dvorak have made a living to not get rich, but to take care of their families,

00:18:47.044 --> 00:18:51.684
to take care of themselves personally over what they do, all value for value.

00:18:51.844 --> 00:18:56.984
And there's other podcasts that do the same thing. So we've got to work on breaking

00:18:56.984 --> 00:19:00.344
down those barriers for our listeners to get them on board.

00:19:00.704 --> 00:19:03.284
If we can do that, we can change the world.

00:19:04.875 --> 00:19:06.115
I would have to agree with that.

00:19:08.535 --> 00:19:10.675
Go ahead, Jimmy. Yeah, me too.

00:19:12.795 --> 00:19:22.995
Well, listeners and audience, these words kind of fly around, but in my view,

00:19:23.175 --> 00:19:26.555
the reality is the vast majority of

00:19:26.555 --> 00:19:29.755
the listeners of the audience of V4V

00:19:29.755 --> 00:19:33.295
Music are actually participants in

00:19:33.295 --> 00:19:37.495
the whole the whole process and there's

00:19:37.495 --> 00:19:40.475
not really any connection to the

00:19:40.475 --> 00:19:44.415
world outside of the v4v music

00:19:44.415 --> 00:19:52.215
world and there's really not a great way to bring people into this world who

00:19:52.215 --> 00:19:58.295
are complete you know what are the what do the kids say normies um so I'm not

00:19:58.295 --> 00:20:00.975
sure exactly like I have some ideas,

00:20:01.255 --> 00:20:03.735
but we're working on some stuff.

00:20:03.955 --> 00:20:09.875
But until that kind of comes together, I don't really care to discuss it too much.

00:20:10.135 --> 00:20:15.595
But Sir Libre, how are we going to bring people in here? What are we going to do?

00:20:16.535 --> 00:20:21.595
We need audience. There's plenty of really good music to listen to,

00:20:21.655 --> 00:20:26.735
and now we've got to go and expose the normies, right?

00:20:27.750 --> 00:20:32.290
Well, okay, so there's a big problem with this is that I, of course,

00:20:32.390 --> 00:20:33.730
that's something that needs to be done.

00:20:34.510 --> 00:20:41.350
But it's not very simple for a brand new listener to jump right in.

00:20:41.450 --> 00:20:46.050
There's a lot of hurdles and Randy elucidated a lot of those as well.

00:20:46.810 --> 00:20:51.390
In my opinion, we need something like a Spotify for value for value.

00:20:51.510 --> 00:20:54.550
We don't have that yet. The closest thing that we have is Ellen Beetz,

00:20:54.670 --> 00:20:58.570
which is great, but it's not the passion project of Steven Bell.

00:20:58.710 --> 00:21:01.930
He's more interested in other things. We need somebody with some good coding

00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:06.730
skills to help me to create the Spotify for the Value for Value world.

00:21:08.450 --> 00:21:12.990
Fountain is close, but Fountain is way, way, way too busy, in my opinion.

00:21:13.150 --> 00:21:16.330
I like Fountain a lot. It's a great app, but it's way too busy,

00:21:16.430 --> 00:21:19.370
and it's not a music app. It's not focused on music.

00:21:19.910 --> 00:21:23.310
Wave Lake probably has an amazing app, but I don't ever use it because it's

00:21:23.310 --> 00:21:24.350
a one-way walled garden.

00:21:24.570 --> 00:21:30.010
And so that's a problem for me. What we need is an all-encompassing app that

00:21:30.010 --> 00:21:35.850
people can easily use that has some easy way of having a wallet attached to it.

00:21:36.090 --> 00:21:40.090
I am not at all interested in doing what Fountain does by providing wallets.

00:21:40.130 --> 00:21:42.190
I am definitely not interested in doing that at all.

00:21:42.350 --> 00:21:45.290
I don't think anybody should. You should find your own wallets.

00:21:46.510 --> 00:21:50.630
But all these puzzle pieces that need to come together haven't come together yet,

00:21:51.430 --> 00:21:56.050
I've introduced a lot of people to LMBeats and many people seem really interested

00:21:56.050 --> 00:22:00.630
in it but I guarantee you damn near none of them have ever bothered to connect

00:22:00.630 --> 00:22:04.910
a wallet or send any value back it's just that's just the mindset that people

00:22:04.910 --> 00:22:06.870
have and I don't know how to overcome that,

00:22:08.970 --> 00:22:12.550
I mean on my other podcast my Bible podcast I

00:22:12.550 --> 00:22:16.050
have never received anything value for value oh that's

00:22:16.050 --> 00:22:19.890
my fault I should I listen to that podcast I love it that's my fault salty I

00:22:19.890 --> 00:22:23.750
should be sending you value salty says plenty of wallets none of them work with

00:22:23.750 --> 00:22:31.810
the v4v enabled apps though yeah not yet not yet and well I have something to

00:22:31.810 --> 00:22:33.830
say about the app go ahead jim.

00:22:36.104 --> 00:22:42.244
Okay. I have something to say about the apps. The apps are podcast apps.

00:22:43.164 --> 00:22:48.744
That's what I have to say. Like there is no, and Sir Libre said this,

00:22:48.964 --> 00:22:56.504
and there is no easy way to just go into this world and consume music. We're working on it.

00:22:56.604 --> 00:23:00.684
Sir Libre is trying to do it. I'm trying to help. We're trying to get this thing

00:23:00.684 --> 00:23:07.764
built up so that Joe or Susie Normal can just push play and listen to great music.

00:23:08.024 --> 00:23:11.024
That's the objective. There's plenty of great music to listen to.

00:23:11.224 --> 00:23:16.404
Now we kind of got to get a really easy place to access it. We're working on it.

00:23:16.524 --> 00:23:19.444
We're probably not the only ones working on it. I hope not anyways.

00:23:21.804 --> 00:23:24.824
But I'm also trying to pump

00:23:24.824 --> 00:23:27.864
up the social media world and and

00:23:27.864 --> 00:23:30.764
so that when we have a what I think

00:23:30.764 --> 00:23:33.804
of as a doorway a big flashy doorway with

00:23:33.804 --> 00:23:36.604
lights and buzzers and stuff and then Joe

00:23:36.604 --> 00:23:39.484
and Susie Average can wander in and listen to some

00:23:39.484 --> 00:23:42.524
great music and maybe we can eat in

00:23:42.524 --> 00:23:46.604
there and have and come back but this is

00:23:46.604 --> 00:23:49.404
uh it's this is you know

00:23:49.404 --> 00:23:55.704
running with scissors blah blah blah this is all brand new this this is we haven't

00:23:55.704 --> 00:24:02.504
even opened the gate yet get out of the gate yet like this is all just the initial

00:24:02.504 --> 00:24:07.964
construction it's I've been here for a little over a year now and,

00:24:08.924 --> 00:24:12.464
And we're working on it. Stuff's happening.

00:24:13.744 --> 00:24:17.304
Sir TJ, tell us something you know.

00:24:18.352 --> 00:24:22.932
Yeah, well, this, like you said, it's a combined effort. And really what's happening

00:24:22.932 --> 00:24:31.492
right now is the artists and the developers are both like, we just got to kind of keep digging in.

00:24:31.692 --> 00:24:35.432
Like my goal lately, like I was pretty discouraged about Value for Value,

00:24:35.592 --> 00:24:37.012
I don't know, a few months ago.

00:24:37.372 --> 00:24:43.392
It was right before, you can probably see a big gap in our episodes where we

00:24:43.392 --> 00:24:45.752
were just, life got busy on top of that.

00:24:45.752 --> 00:24:48.532
And then plus it felt like it felt kind of

00:24:48.532 --> 00:24:51.612
like meaningless like we're just talking in the wind which part of

00:24:51.612 --> 00:24:54.532
me doesn't mind I like just you know even just this I just

00:24:54.532 --> 00:24:57.612
was like hey I love v4v podcast music all

00:24:57.612 --> 00:25:01.492
this if no one's listening and we're just talking about it I enjoy talking about

00:25:01.492 --> 00:25:07.712
it so it's it's all good for me but well but we all gotta the artists we gotta

00:25:07.712 --> 00:25:12.412
keep like like I just made a note when you when we were talking like we us creators

00:25:12.412 --> 00:25:16.072
need to keep creating and honing and creating great content.

00:25:16.492 --> 00:25:20.992
And then the developers need to keep trying to help make it easier for all the

00:25:20.992 --> 00:25:22.352
way it works and all the apps.

00:25:22.512 --> 00:25:25.332
And it's not necessarily hard in the apps. Guru works great.

00:25:25.852 --> 00:25:30.592
Fountain works good at what it's, you know, all these apps, Podverse,

00:25:30.792 --> 00:25:34.932
they're working well, but there's lots of improvement, especially when we get

00:25:34.932 --> 00:25:38.992
into this new area of music, which to us doesn't like feel new.

00:25:39.372 --> 00:25:42.152
It's like, I've been doing this for a year and a half and it feels like nothing's going

00:25:42.152 --> 00:25:46.232
on but in the grand scheme of technology and everything it is new so I just

00:25:46.232 --> 00:25:50.912
got to chill out some of us got you know relax and I got to tell myself that

00:25:50.912 --> 00:25:55.172
all the time because I get I I get very like hyped up a lot I'm like oh let's

00:25:55.172 --> 00:25:58.512
go you know and then when there's like seems like there's nothing going on and

00:25:58.512 --> 00:25:59.852
it's crickets and whatever he's like,

00:26:00.672 --> 00:26:08.272
why am I even doing this why am I even here yeah so but we're also there's there's there's.

00:26:09.890 --> 00:26:15.670
There's a lot of love for podcast guru in the troll room right now. I'm noticing that.

00:26:16.050 --> 00:26:20.630
And I got to admit that I haven't spent a lot of time on podcast guru,

00:26:20.870 --> 00:26:22.690
but, uh, Oh, you need to try guru.

00:26:22.950 --> 00:26:26.870
It's probably the most stable. There says something about.

00:26:28.050 --> 00:26:32.790
Sorry. Oh, I just said guru is the fastest, most stable, uh,

00:26:33.050 --> 00:26:39.350
podcast app on my phone and I have Android, so it might be different for other people, but yeah.

00:26:39.890 --> 00:26:44.350
I haven't used it very much, I have to admit, but Father Dorf says something

00:26:44.350 --> 00:26:46.650
about music playing continuously.

00:26:47.750 --> 00:26:48.230
And now.

00:26:50.650 --> 00:26:54.510
Yeah, it's a really good app.

00:26:54.630 --> 00:27:00.430
I actually messaged the Guru team last week, and they got right back to me with some ideas.

00:27:00.950 --> 00:27:05.430
And I'm excited for the development with all of these apps.

00:27:05.670 --> 00:27:10.310
And they all have their own, you know, focuses and goals. But they all also

00:27:10.310 --> 00:27:15.030
are combined with the content of podcasters and value for value music. So we're all like.

00:27:15.990 --> 00:27:21.590
They're all starting to become their own niche app. Like the nostr Bros are

00:27:21.590 --> 00:27:23.790
all going to be on Fountain because it's all integrated.

00:27:24.510 --> 00:27:27.210
People who are hosting their own wallets are going to go to,

00:27:27.390 --> 00:27:30.550
you know, if they're connected through Albie, they're going to go to Podcast

00:27:30.550 --> 00:27:31.890
Guru. They're going to go to Podverse.

00:27:32.590 --> 00:27:35.990
They're going to connect in that way. so we've got developments there

00:27:35.990 --> 00:27:38.870
to meet the needs of the listeners and meet

00:27:38.870 --> 00:27:41.610
the needs of the podcasters we just gotta make people know

00:27:41.610 --> 00:27:44.450
about it yep and that's why I just want to keep trying

00:27:44.450 --> 00:27:50.250
to make uh fun episodes cool music and then just keep spreading the word and

00:27:50.250 --> 00:27:56.890
and um it's it's pretty slow going but I think as we figure out especially like

00:27:56.890 --> 00:28:02.950
you were saying jimmy and salivate we've uh we figure out an app for music that is really,

00:28:02.970 --> 00:28:05.050
you know, um, um,

00:28:05.911 --> 00:28:09.991
Ellen Beetz is the best thing we got going, and I'm so thankful for it.

00:28:10.791 --> 00:28:15.151
And if I told Steven B, we had him in the Dwarfiverse a few weeks ago,

00:28:15.191 --> 00:28:17.931
I was like, man, I wish I could just pay you, because I know it's not your favorite thing.

00:28:18.011 --> 00:28:21.091
You just pay you, though, to make, like, just work a ton on it.

00:28:21.291 --> 00:28:23.151
He could do it. He could totally do it.

00:28:24.771 --> 00:28:28.051
And the stuff he's done is just amazing. Yeah, it's incredible.

00:28:28.291 --> 00:28:31.711
Split Kid is awesome. Sovereignty is amazing.

00:28:33.071 --> 00:28:36.831
He's all in. He's all in on what we're doing. Absolutely. And he's not really

00:28:36.831 --> 00:28:39.891
a podcaster, you know, he's, he's just a guy who loves the medium.

00:28:39.891 --> 00:28:42.691
He loves the stuff and he wants to be involved in help.

00:28:42.811 --> 00:28:45.371
Yeah. And he loves the stuff we need value for value.

00:28:45.591 --> 00:28:50.291
He loves that aspect of it, that these aren't, it's not some,

00:28:50.351 --> 00:28:53.551
you know, corporate thing of people just trying to get, get,

00:28:53.691 --> 00:28:56.531
uh, you know, make it big or get big money going.

00:28:56.531 --> 00:29:01.511
I mean, it's, it's for the love of, of, of the art of whatever that is,

00:29:01.631 --> 00:29:02.771
whether it's a podcast or music

00:29:02.771 --> 00:29:07.131
or technology. We're not all the Kelsey brothers or Joe Rogan. Exactly.

00:29:08.351 --> 00:29:16.411
So that's something. So this V4V concept is, you know, I got to be honest,

00:29:16.611 --> 00:29:20.031
that's what really drew me into this in the first place.

00:29:20.371 --> 00:29:24.871
I'm really big on the idea of reciprocal relationships.

00:29:25.171 --> 00:29:30.791
I think human beings have an evolutionary propensity

00:29:30.791 --> 00:29:39.231
to cooperate you know the purpose of survival and that sort of thing so I think

00:29:39.231 --> 00:29:45.311
that if it's applied properly that it'll work as a system.

00:29:46.331 --> 00:29:47.231
I'd,

00:29:48.186 --> 00:29:51.026
sometimes gets a little distracting to

00:29:51.026 --> 00:29:54.426
get buried in the weeds of exactly the mechanics of

00:29:54.426 --> 00:29:57.506
how it gets done but what it comes down

00:29:57.506 --> 00:30:02.486
to is the basic reciprocal relationship

00:30:02.486 --> 00:30:05.686
type dynamic where somebody provides a

00:30:05.686 --> 00:30:13.866
value and in this case I'm really focused on music as as the value proposition

00:30:13.866 --> 00:30:21.646
and if there's people listening to it and those people are enjoying it,

00:30:21.786 --> 00:30:23.206
they're getting value from it,

00:30:23.386 --> 00:30:28.326
then a certain number of them will return value.

00:30:28.606 --> 00:30:34.966
And I mean, if you want evidence of this, all you have to look at is Taylor Swift.

00:30:35.906 --> 00:30:44.226
Even though it's a super ultra commercial exchange through standard practices and logistics.

00:30:44.466 --> 00:30:49.126
People are buying her stuff because they love her.

00:30:50.186 --> 00:30:57.426
And that's value for value. So if you get a bunch of people who love Dorfels music,

00:30:57.826 --> 00:31:04.906
and if they buy Dorfels t-shirts and Dorfels coffee mugs and Boostagram Dorfels songs

00:31:04.906 --> 00:31:06.866
and share Dorfels songs.

00:31:07.966 --> 00:31:08.926
Then...

00:31:09.626 --> 00:31:14.186
You know, then maybe, uh, maybe a doorful could buy a cheeseburger.

00:31:14.926 --> 00:31:23.686
Yes. Yes. I love cheeseburgers. Or a podcaster like, like radio guys could always earn a living.

00:31:24.686 --> 00:31:30.926
Um, maybe someday a music show podcaster could actually like,

00:31:31.146 --> 00:31:38.886
just as his job, focus on V4V music and put together an amazing show for the audience.

00:31:40.186 --> 00:31:46.266
You'd probably get a pretty good show like d4b has a lot of potential is what I'm saying,

00:31:47.206 --> 00:31:50.306
yeah and and like the way

00:31:50.306 --> 00:31:53.966
music is consumed now with uh for

00:31:53.966 --> 00:31:57.406
you know versus how it used to be I used to make hundreds

00:31:57.406 --> 00:32:00.166
of cds and we would go sell you know I

00:32:00.166 --> 00:32:03.446
think we'd buy them for like a buck and then we'd sell them for 10 maybe

00:32:03.446 --> 00:32:06.246
two for 20 you know something so we were making like nine bucks a

00:32:06.246 --> 00:32:09.386
cd now we I'm willing to just give like

00:32:09.386 --> 00:32:12.766
let people stream my music for free but

00:32:12.766 --> 00:32:18.066
I'm always going to try to create a a relationship with that listener as in

00:32:18.066 --> 00:32:22.226
like hey we're just putting it here for you like if you get any value let us

00:32:22.226 --> 00:32:27.346
know with some value in return make them want to give you something back give

00:32:27.346 --> 00:32:30.566
them something that's amazing and they will want to give you something back.

00:32:31.478 --> 00:32:36.758
Well, a certain percentage of the population will want to give you something

00:32:36.758 --> 00:32:42.518
back. The fact of the matter is a certain percentage of the population won't give you nothing.

00:32:42.838 --> 00:32:47.638
No matter what. If you're the only song they listen to for the rest of their

00:32:47.638 --> 00:32:49.458
life, then they won't even give you a nickel.

00:32:49.698 --> 00:32:52.438
And that's a large percentage of the population.

00:32:52.778 --> 00:32:59.898
You have to accept that as being real. but a small group will endeavor to support

00:32:59.898 --> 00:33:01.818
the artists that they love.

00:33:02.058 --> 00:33:05.838
And, and that's what I'm looking for.

00:33:06.378 --> 00:33:09.958
I was saying like Sir Leroy, not donating, not, not sending one Boostagram

00:33:09.958 --> 00:33:13.898
to the Bible bites podcast, which I really like a lot, by the way,

00:33:13.998 --> 00:33:18.018
Bible bites, B I Bible, B Y T E S is how you, how you spell it.

00:33:18.138 --> 00:33:20.698
It's a great podcast. Bible-bites.com.

00:33:21.078 --> 00:33:24.998
Bible-bites.com. It's, it's actually pretty awesome, but yeah, you're right.

00:33:25.078 --> 00:33:32.478
And so another thing regarding this value for value thing is that if you don't

00:33:32.478 --> 00:33:36.998
put out a quality product, you're not going to get any return. That's just how it is.

00:33:37.478 --> 00:33:45.118
The No Agenda show is the flagship for value for value. It's the example that we all use.

00:33:45.318 --> 00:33:48.078
And in reality, they're an anomaly.

00:33:48.418 --> 00:33:51.598
Like, they're the only ones really making any money on value for value.

00:33:51.738 --> 00:33:54.458
There's very few people that are doing it. uh jimmy was telling

00:33:54.458 --> 00:33:57.498
me that the launch apparently a new podcast that's come

00:33:57.498 --> 00:34:01.058
out here recently they got like 12 episodes um apparently they're

00:34:01.058 --> 00:34:03.858
doing well with v4v but there aren't very

00:34:03.858 --> 00:34:07.738
many examples my show uh lightning

00:34:07.738 --> 00:34:10.638
thrashes has pretty decent numbers

00:34:10.638 --> 00:34:13.338
according to my op3 stats and over the

00:34:13.338 --> 00:34:16.058
course of 77 episodes I think is what

00:34:16.058 --> 00:34:21.718
I have out now 78 forget I've I have brought in a pittance I I'm in the black

00:34:21.718 --> 00:34:26.718
or the I'm sorry I'm in the red I don't make I spend more money on my show than

00:34:26.718 --> 00:34:31.018
I bring in in the value satoshis even with the increase from bitcoin going to

00:34:31.018 --> 00:34:34.478
like a hundred thousand dollars or wherever it is now uh so.

00:34:35.520 --> 00:34:39.160
The it's irritating that because

00:34:39.160 --> 00:34:41.920
I know it works I see it work look at

00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.940
no agenda and you know what maybe the difference is they

00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:48.020
don't focus on bitcoin notice that no agenda

00:34:48.020 --> 00:34:52.360
never ever shills bitcoin at all because john dvork does not want anything to

00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:58.420
do with it he's you know avoids it like the plague but there they make I don't

00:34:58.420 --> 00:35:03.780
know hundreds of thousands of dollars a year like if You counted up how many

00:35:03.780 --> 00:35:06.100
nights happening on every episode? They do well.

00:35:06.540 --> 00:35:11.140
They do well. Yeah. They do well. Well, and so you've got to also look at it.

00:35:11.140 --> 00:35:12.800
They're making at least 10 bucks a month.

00:35:13.780 --> 00:35:19.160
Yeah. At least. At least 10 bucks a month. They may get value sent in on an

00:35:19.160 --> 00:35:26.260
episode from, you know, 15 people out of, you know, 90 some thousand people

00:35:26.260 --> 00:35:27.320
who've downloaded and listened.

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:32.500
So, you know, it's still that whole very, very small members of your audience

00:35:32.500 --> 00:35:34.140
are going to do it. Oh, I agree. I agree.

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:36.700
The fact of the matter is...

00:35:38.032 --> 00:35:45.592
Sorry, Jimmy. Go ahead. The fact is that the value-for-value model works,

00:35:45.592 --> 00:35:51.092
and the proof is in the no agenda pudding. It works.

00:35:51.432 --> 00:35:58.532
But I also think that it's pertinent to notice that they're not focused on the

00:35:58.532 --> 00:36:00.052
Lightning Network and Bitcoin.

00:36:00.392 --> 00:36:05.352
Yeah, I think Adam would love it if this stuff would all come together and grow

00:36:05.352 --> 00:36:11.052
big, But they don't focus on it, and they're not relying on it.

00:36:11.172 --> 00:36:16.752
And if the whole lightning thing went away, I'm not sure that their numbers

00:36:16.752 --> 00:36:18.952
would be drastically reduced.

00:36:19.432 --> 00:36:25.692
They seem to do most of their value seems to come through traditional means.

00:36:27.012 --> 00:36:33.232
But they also are a unicorn. And like, these guys have been, they're both really,

00:36:33.732 --> 00:36:46.552
really skilled presenters and they've chosen a very, like a very relatable, um, theme.

00:36:47.572 --> 00:36:53.932
And, and like, I'll tell you what, when I started listening to no agenda,

00:36:53.932 --> 00:37:00.012
it was all about confirmation bias for me. Like they honestly didn't tell me a lot.

00:37:00.092 --> 00:37:04.952
I didn't know, but I, they just confirmed that I knew it.

00:37:05.532 --> 00:37:12.152
Like I said it to a lot of myself, a lot listening to what they were doing. I knew it. I knew it.

00:37:12.332 --> 00:37:19.512
And so do a lot of other people and they resonate and they do a really fricking good product.

00:37:19.512 --> 00:37:25.512
Like they're really good at it. And they have a lot of people working behind

00:37:25.512 --> 00:37:30.852
the scenes providing other value to help them grow and grow and grow and have

00:37:30.852 --> 00:37:32.252
this enormous audience.

00:37:34.212 --> 00:37:39.952
And we can look at them as a unicorn or we could just look at them as proof this shit works.

00:37:41.921 --> 00:37:46.721
What do you think? Okay, so why should I put my music out value for value?

00:37:49.681 --> 00:37:52.501
You know, like, that's a good question. Let's just, like, I want to see what

00:37:52.501 --> 00:37:53.941
everyone says about that. Go ahead, Libre.

00:37:54.221 --> 00:37:58.521
Well, I think that you don't have very much choice in the matter,

00:37:58.541 --> 00:38:03.201
because you've already put your music out in every other platform and have received a pittance.

00:38:03.601 --> 00:38:08.581
And if I were to guess, you have probably received a reasonable,

00:38:08.581 --> 00:38:14.741
well not reasonable but a lot more in return in the value for value in the value

00:38:14.741 --> 00:38:19.501
versus in the two I think that you have probably received more so that's something

00:38:19.501 --> 00:38:21.061
that is good and it points to,

00:38:22.321 --> 00:38:29.121
it points to something that needs to be grown I guess I don't know but I you

00:38:29.121 --> 00:38:32.001
just don't have a choice like are you going to compete with the taylor swift

00:38:32.001 --> 00:38:36.421
of the world like can you no you What do you think, Randy?

00:38:36.701 --> 00:38:42.761
Taylor Swift can't even compete with the Taylor Swifts of this world. She can't even do it.

00:38:43.021 --> 00:38:46.261
Why should people consider... These things are...

00:38:48.181 --> 00:38:53.741
They are? Sorry, I interrupted you. We got to sort that. We have to figure this part of that out.

00:38:54.101 --> 00:39:00.081
It's really hard to figure out when to get up and when to talk.

00:39:00.081 --> 00:39:04.881
And then there's lots of two guys talking at once, which is,

00:39:05.101 --> 00:39:07.801
unless it's a hockey podcast.

00:39:08.161 --> 00:39:10.941
That's how round tables are supposed to be. Yeah, it's okay.

00:39:11.301 --> 00:39:15.901
You got to remember, you're in Canada. Well, I haven't called you any names yet at all.

00:39:17.981 --> 00:39:21.381
But I could if you wanted. So, yeah.

00:39:21.601 --> 00:39:25.141
And now I've completely derailed conversation. No, you're fine, Jimmy.

00:39:25.401 --> 00:39:28.521
I'm just trying to think of like if we're, because I'm telling people about

00:39:28.521 --> 00:39:31.201
how we do put our music out in this value way.

00:39:31.401 --> 00:39:36.661
But I'm wondering, everyone might kind of spit it out in a different way,

00:39:36.701 --> 00:39:40.261
and I'm trying to get different ideas for that. So what would you take?

00:39:40.801 --> 00:39:44.201
I want to hear the answers to your... Okay, cool.

00:39:44.481 --> 00:39:49.421
Rephrase this question. Start over. We'll go around. We'll start with Sir Libre,

00:39:49.541 --> 00:39:51.521
then go to Randy, then go to TJ.

00:39:52.001 --> 00:39:57.461
I have anecdotal evidence on this. I already gave my opinion. Randy, what say you?

00:39:58.101 --> 00:40:02.541
Okay. anecdotal audience to show you something wait wait wait wait wait wait

00:40:02.541 --> 00:40:10.121
stop oh come on I didn't hear yeah thank you I didn't hear your opinion sir

00:40:10.121 --> 00:40:14.001
libre why should someone post their music,

00:40:14.761 --> 00:40:19.661
that's the question okay yes because they don't really have another choice I

00:40:19.661 --> 00:40:24.161
mean the other options that are available to them are unrealistic and out of

00:40:24.161 --> 00:40:28.701
reach there are too many fingers in the pie there are too many places where the vast,

00:40:29.741 --> 00:40:33.541
artist and good good.

00:40:37.015 --> 00:40:41.555
Hey, Randy, you go. Why should someone post their music?

00:40:42.295 --> 00:40:47.275
Suzanne Santo. Suzanne Santo has put one song out. I just dropped the stream.

00:40:48.575 --> 00:40:55.715
Anyway, sorry. Go ahead, Randy. Suzanne Santo has put one song out.

00:40:56.535 --> 00:41:03.255
One. And that one song has made her more money in six months than she's made

00:41:03.255 --> 00:41:05.215
on Spotify in five years.

00:41:05.755 --> 00:41:08.795
Yeah. she had a she had one track on spotify

00:41:08.795 --> 00:41:11.595
and she's well known like she got

00:41:11.595 --> 00:41:14.715
32 000 plays of a track on spotify

00:41:14.715 --> 00:41:19.255
and made five dollars she told

00:41:19.255 --> 00:41:23.595
me about she talks about it on my show yeah it's it's crazy the the amount of

00:41:23.595 --> 00:41:28.775
money they make from spotify and from apple is nothing and in six months and

00:41:28.775 --> 00:41:32.835
she's still yeah well I can't at the top of those parts we have okay but all

00:41:32.835 --> 00:41:35.055
my friends six months that she's made in five years.

00:41:35.395 --> 00:41:39.095
All my family, all my friends have Spotify. How am I going to listen to your music?

00:41:42.195 --> 00:41:45.755
Why should I, like, what would you tell someone? I don't have that.

00:41:47.235 --> 00:41:48.535
What app would you send them to?

00:41:50.375 --> 00:41:54.435
No, none right now. That's my whole point. We don't have a good app. I wish we did.

00:41:55.155 --> 00:41:58.235
We need to build one. I wish so. We will soon.

00:41:58.435 --> 00:42:02.235
We'll have something soon. I do have an answer. I feel confident that soon there

00:42:02.235 --> 00:42:03.995
will be something that will work.

00:42:04.015 --> 00:42:06.935
I would send people a long time I would

00:42:06.935 --> 00:42:09.815
send people to my website because that at

00:42:09.815 --> 00:42:12.815
least that at least it's while

00:42:12.815 --> 00:42:15.495
I don't love how my dad pointed this out to

00:42:15.495 --> 00:42:19.715
me the other day um the widget I'm using which I love from podverse but it's

00:42:19.715 --> 00:42:24.215
not made for music it won't continue to play down the the feed of songs like

00:42:24.215 --> 00:42:28.335
you have to manually hit play on each song and if you're playing two feeds you

00:42:28.335 --> 00:42:33.495
get two songs but it does at least get them if they play a little bit of it.

00:42:33.575 --> 00:42:36.855
Hopefully they'll hear the quality of the music and maybe stick around.

00:42:37.115 --> 00:42:40.795
But the smoother we can get things working with our website,

00:42:41.095 --> 00:42:45.515
which everything on my website is connecting and pointing to the 2.0 apps.

00:42:45.755 --> 00:42:49.355
So the more polished the 2.0 apps can get with working with people's websites

00:42:49.355 --> 00:42:53.695
and vice versa, just the connectivity of it, I think just the better the experience

00:42:53.695 --> 00:42:56.235
is going to keep getting. What is your website again?

00:42:57.535 --> 00:43:04.295
Dorfulverse.com D-O-E-R How do you spell Dorful? D-O-E-R F as in Frank E-L,

00:43:05.256 --> 00:43:07.456
Just turn that camera a little bit and show people the wall.

00:43:07.616 --> 00:43:10.336
Come on. And you know what?

00:43:10.596 --> 00:43:13.516
On the value for value note. We're not streaming video.

00:43:13.736 --> 00:43:18.796
On the value for value note, I'm pretty much decided we're going to start streaming

00:43:18.796 --> 00:43:21.416
more, like live streaming on YouTube with video.

00:43:21.636 --> 00:43:24.236
I want to figure out, and this is just a matter of time because,

00:43:24.276 --> 00:43:29.336
you know, family, life, and work. I want video options. It's optional in the 2.0 apps too.

00:43:29.756 --> 00:43:33.216
I don't watch a lot of video. I'll put an earbud in and be doing stuff.

00:43:33.216 --> 00:43:35.936
But I know some people especially if we get

00:43:35.936 --> 00:43:39.056
the instruments out and they're playing live in the studio would appreciate

00:43:39.056 --> 00:43:41.776
being able to have the video up and would even like it

00:43:41.776 --> 00:43:44.776
even more to be in you know guru or pod version be

00:43:44.776 --> 00:43:47.916
able to Boostagram um so we're in testing

00:43:47.916 --> 00:43:51.196
in testing I live streamed a video version of my show heck

00:43:51.196 --> 00:43:54.076
yeah and we're going to be getting doing that but I'm also going

00:43:54.076 --> 00:43:56.996
to be open to the youtubes and and that's where value

00:43:56.996 --> 00:44:00.056
for value you you don't just have to send value if

00:44:00.056 --> 00:44:04.416
you're receiving any through 2.0 apps and figure out the bitcoin thing it's

00:44:04.416 --> 00:44:08.476
on us creators to send people to hey here's our website here's all these different

00:44:08.476 --> 00:44:13.436
ways we we would appreciate any kind of value it's not just hey get a bitcoin

00:44:13.436 --> 00:44:17.856
wallet build a node and send us bitcoin you know I have I have a I have a well

00:44:17.856 --> 00:44:19.256
I'll tell you what I'll get it on my site.

00:44:20.436 --> 00:44:26.936
I love the bitcoin way it's super fun it's super cool and I hope people keep working on it go ahead,

00:44:27.950 --> 00:44:35.210
The V4V music does not integrate well with standard social media.

00:44:36.170 --> 00:44:44.070
Being a very active TikToker and YouTuber, I can tell you that posting music

00:44:44.070 --> 00:44:50.090
that is not part of their current licensing agreement creates enormous headaches.

00:44:50.090 --> 00:44:53.090
And I had to jump through hoops

00:44:53.090 --> 00:44:56.970
to to be allowed to post my own music

00:44:56.970 --> 00:44:59.710
on these sites it's so

00:44:59.710 --> 00:45:02.870
v4v music doesn't integrate well

00:45:02.870 --> 00:45:05.910
with this because of the licensing agreements and whatnot

00:45:05.910 --> 00:45:09.950
um so we're kind

00:45:09.950 --> 00:45:13.070
of between a bit of a rock and a hard place

00:45:13.070 --> 00:45:15.930
because a great way to bring people in

00:45:15.930 --> 00:45:18.770
would be to use standard social media and get

00:45:18.770 --> 00:45:21.890
their attention but you can't really use the

00:45:21.890 --> 00:45:31.710
music to do that it's very difficult it's it's a difficult scenario but that's

00:45:31.710 --> 00:45:36.810
why I say we need big flashy doorways to bring people to and we're working on

00:45:36.810 --> 00:45:41.850
it we'll get it and they're like I'm hoping that.

00:45:42.090 --> 00:45:53.450
Like, it's really weird because decentralization is a major theme amongst the V4V music thing.

00:45:53.450 --> 00:45:57.670
Be me music decentralization and

00:45:57.670 --> 00:46:00.670
I I get

00:46:00.670 --> 00:46:04.230
it but I also understand the

00:46:04.230 --> 00:46:07.730
reality of the masses is that if

00:46:07.730 --> 00:46:15.790
there isn't a centralized location to go to and get what you want they won't

00:46:15.790 --> 00:46:21.910
get the masses like you won't get the general audience out there until you have

00:46:21.910 --> 00:46:25.930
some sort of centralized location for them to go to.

00:46:27.168 --> 00:46:30.468
And discover this stuff like it's

00:46:30.468 --> 00:46:33.748
hard to we all know this like

00:46:33.748 --> 00:46:36.528
how do you listen how do I listen to your

00:46:36.528 --> 00:46:42.268
song oh well you got to get this podcast app or you could go here or go there

00:46:42.268 --> 00:46:49.028
it's not like you could just do it on your spotify you know that everyone has

00:46:49.028 --> 00:46:53.848
spotify what I try to sell people So on the other side, you're really simple.

00:46:54.388 --> 00:46:58.828
Yeah. Yeah. What you're saying is into like not combat, but to try to come back

00:46:58.828 --> 00:47:03.268
to that is, well, on Spotify, you have to go sign up and pay monthly to pull

00:47:03.268 --> 00:47:04.688
any song up you want on demand.

00:47:04.868 --> 00:47:06.928
Same with Apple music and Amazon. I'm pretty sure.

00:47:07.448 --> 00:47:10.188
So I'm, I just tell people, Hey, yeah. And everyone does it.

00:47:10.308 --> 00:47:14.648
And they do it. But I, I, I'm trying to make it, Hey, you don't have to pay anything.

00:47:14.648 --> 00:47:17.568
You can go pull up all my album on Ellen beats or on

00:47:17.568 --> 00:47:20.488
podcast crew on fountain anywhere and play all

00:47:20.488 --> 00:47:23.228
as many times as you want it whatever song you want as

00:47:23.228 --> 00:47:26.328
million times as you want and a lot of these apps have playlists and

00:47:26.328 --> 00:47:29.168
and you can do that and and I mean a lot

00:47:29.168 --> 00:47:31.908
of people are still like at work I I talk

00:47:31.908 --> 00:47:36.168
about at work and it's really going slow getting anyone at work to try it but

00:47:36.168 --> 00:47:40.388
but that's to try to be like combat where you're saying a little jimmy is like

00:47:40.388 --> 00:47:43.488
hey you know you have to pay for that this is this like value for value like

00:47:43.488 --> 00:47:46.648
and you can just play it and there won't be ads if you have the free thing you

00:47:46.648 --> 00:47:49.328
don't you know um but Let's not even get into,

00:47:49.548 --> 00:47:53.248
well, if I play a song like that, it doesn't keep playing music that I like.

00:47:53.368 --> 00:47:57.888
I have to, you know, the whole radio idea, playlist idea.

00:47:58.168 --> 00:48:06.828
The whole thing is like, yes, people got to pay to get onto Spotify. The point is they do.

00:48:07.028 --> 00:48:10.648
And Salty says they pay. Because there's a centralized place for them to go

00:48:10.648 --> 00:48:15.068
and get what they want. So they pay for it. Ten bucks a month. They do it.

00:48:16.728 --> 00:48:20.968
Salty thinks they pay. They pay because they want to create playlists.

00:48:22.955 --> 00:48:26.355
Which is yeah well playlists is uh the foundation is

00:48:26.355 --> 00:48:29.415
wrong and further up

00:48:29.415 --> 00:48:32.255
in the chat hey jimmy did you see that

00:48:32.255 --> 00:48:36.495
in the troll room we father dorf said uh adam points out that artists don't

00:48:36.495 --> 00:48:41.035
need huge numbers to have success and I agree from experience as a family band

00:48:41.035 --> 00:48:46.535
organic growth was natural because we were social in the real world social media

00:48:46.535 --> 00:48:49.935
is the new world of real world now Now, in podcasting,

00:48:50.015 --> 00:48:55.455
we need to have to touch each person's social media in an organic yet creative way.

00:48:56.215 --> 00:49:00.635
I agree with that. Now, so what my thoughts on that is that's what Fountain

00:49:00.635 --> 00:49:04.735
is trying to accomplish using the nostr integration to try to get more.

00:49:06.935 --> 00:49:12.335
That was funny. That was an inside joke right there. Now, I have nothing against

00:49:12.335 --> 00:49:15.155
nostr, to be honest with you, but that's what they're trying to do.

00:49:15.795 --> 00:49:19.235
I want to push back a little bit against Father Dorfell, with all due respect,

00:49:19.675 --> 00:49:23.175
is that you do need huge numbers.

00:49:23.435 --> 00:49:25.775
Adam's saying that you don't need huge numbers is disingenuous.

00:49:26.295 --> 00:49:30.195
Everything that he's been successful at has had enormous numbers.

00:49:30.355 --> 00:49:34.755
So he doesn't have any experience of trying to do anything without big numbers.

00:49:35.095 --> 00:49:38.395
Ever since he was a teenager, he's had a following. you.

00:49:38.395 --> 00:49:41.175
Know um so to say that you

00:49:41.175 --> 00:49:44.535
can be successful without huge numbers it's not

00:49:44.535 --> 00:49:49.255
it's not disingenuous but it's it's difficult it's it's

00:49:49.255 --> 00:49:51.995
almost disingenuous um yeah you

00:49:51.995 --> 00:49:54.855
have to really hard to get those okay you need

00:49:54.855 --> 00:49:57.475
a thousand true fans you need a thousand true fans is what

00:49:57.475 --> 00:50:01.375
you need yep well I think

00:50:01.375 --> 00:50:04.255
it depends on who you are and what you do as

00:50:04.255 --> 00:50:07.455
to how many people you need to support you

00:50:07.455 --> 00:50:11.675
and what do you need like yeah um I

00:50:11.675 --> 00:50:14.995
have I personally have been making music for

00:50:14.995 --> 00:50:19.035
35 years I've been recording um what

00:50:19.035 --> 00:50:22.315
I think are professional quality music tracks for

00:50:22.315 --> 00:50:25.715
a variety of different things and I've

00:50:25.715 --> 00:50:29.255
never earned a living at it except for extremely short

00:50:29.255 --> 00:50:31.995
periods of time when I'd get a lot of action and get

00:50:31.995 --> 00:50:34.755
a lot of gigs in a short period of time and I could earn a

00:50:34.755 --> 00:50:38.615
living for six months and then it all it

00:50:38.615 --> 00:50:41.735
became a part it's always been a part-time thing at

00:50:41.735 --> 00:50:45.535
best um now I

00:50:45.535 --> 00:50:49.015
know lots of recording artists who support themselves

00:50:49.015 --> 00:50:55.475
through traditional means and I know a lot more musicians who don't do original

00:50:55.475 --> 00:51:06.595
music that support themselves But the reality is you need significant numbers of people who are true.

00:51:07.035 --> 00:51:10.715
Actual dedicated fans for an artist to play.

00:51:13.215 --> 00:51:16.855
Break even even like I spent

00:51:16.855 --> 00:51:19.935
tons of money putting my music

00:51:19.935 --> 00:51:25.655
together and putting it out for the public and and I don't get you know I don't

00:51:25.655 --> 00:51:31.975
get any money for it and and I get a few thousand views at most and nobody really

00:51:31.975 --> 00:51:38.235
like I know there's a handful of people who really like it and they're around for everything I do,

00:51:38.415 --> 00:51:41.435
but for the most part, I just fall into the weeds.

00:51:41.855 --> 00:51:47.175
And I don't know if that's because I'm not good enough or just that's how it

00:51:47.175 --> 00:51:50.715
works, because I know lots of people you never heard of.

00:51:51.535 --> 00:52:00.975
So numbers matter. And I'm interested in joining a community where we're trying

00:52:00.975 --> 00:52:05.335
to build a space where we can gain numbers.

00:52:06.855 --> 00:52:10.015
Our own way one of

00:52:10.015 --> 00:52:13.055
the things that was most appealing um when I started learning about

00:52:13.055 --> 00:52:16.115
the uh Boostagram and how you

00:52:16.115 --> 00:52:18.815
know an artist could create a wallet attach their songs to

00:52:18.815 --> 00:52:21.795
that wallet and people the listeners and the apps could

00:52:21.795 --> 00:52:25.675
directly support that artist I was like could you imagine the how the power

00:52:25.675 --> 00:52:31.015
of like the people if the people used this technology that would like the artists

00:52:31.015 --> 00:52:37.215
would be truly be the favorites literally decided by the people that are willing

00:52:37.215 --> 00:52:39.935
to do that if they learned how to do that.

00:52:40.115 --> 00:52:43.955
So I wonder if we need to keep trying to remind people, hey.

00:52:44.095 --> 00:52:47.455
This new way, while it's still it's extremely new, but

00:52:47.455 --> 00:52:50.295
it's it's changing the way instead of

00:52:50.295 --> 00:52:53.215
it just being pushed out to you by the big

00:52:53.215 --> 00:52:56.075
money labels and Spotify and Apple and people who

00:52:56.075 --> 00:52:58.935
are kind of in charge of all that like you have the power to

00:52:58.935 --> 00:53:02.455
support you know the artists that

00:53:02.455 --> 00:53:05.415
are choosing to put their music out in this way

00:53:05.415 --> 00:53:08.555
versus the other way I mean that's just a whole other game

00:53:08.555 --> 00:53:11.835
it's a whole other world than than this way and like

00:53:11.835 --> 00:53:14.995
I just had this vision of people like my buddy Ryan Fonda

00:53:14.995 --> 00:53:17.835
I when he put his some songs on on wait he used

00:53:17.835 --> 00:53:20.815
wave lake but I still Boostagram the heck out of his songs

00:53:20.815 --> 00:53:23.735
because I loved his song so much I had already listened to a

00:53:23.735 --> 00:53:26.635
multiple of his songs like a thousand times and

00:53:26.635 --> 00:53:29.235
finally I just started and sent him a few cents here and

00:53:29.235 --> 00:53:31.955
there like I couldn't you know afford to send him a hundred dollars every time I

00:53:31.955 --> 00:53:34.955
listen to the song or or anything but it just

00:53:34.955 --> 00:53:38.295
you know that stuff over time I was like imagine like you

00:53:38.295 --> 00:53:41.195
know a thousand true fans a hundred people doing that with

00:53:41.195 --> 00:53:44.015
your song you know just every now and then a penny or two like

00:53:44.015 --> 00:53:47.155
this guy's like I'm listening to your song I freaking love it here this

00:53:47.155 --> 00:53:50.455
isn't hurt this isn't gonna you know uh take

00:53:50.455 --> 00:53:53.375
food out of my kids mouths or from you know away from whatever they

00:53:53.375 --> 00:53:59.675
need money for you know bills and all that but anyways hey look father dorf

00:53:59.675 --> 00:54:06.075
is uh dropping all kinds of wisdom cookies here in the troll room um and he

00:54:06.075 --> 00:54:12.055
brings up something that's really interesting so he's talking about um.

00:54:13.422 --> 00:54:17.022
Oh, live music is a spiritual experience.

00:54:17.262 --> 00:54:23.502
Okay. And that just sunk right in as soon as I read that, because that's a reality.

00:54:24.002 --> 00:54:29.382
Speaking as a performing musician, and I'm sure you would concur,

00:54:29.562 --> 00:54:36.262
TJ, that there is something about playing in a room full of people who are engaged.

00:54:36.562 --> 00:54:41.542
Like you're playing with people and you are all connected. And then there's

00:54:41.542 --> 00:54:47.402
a room full of people paying attention to what you're doing and they all become connected.

00:54:48.562 --> 00:55:00.802
And there's really, it's very difficult to create that connection outside of that room.

00:55:00.802 --> 00:55:06.802
Like a really good record can almost get there. You'll listen to a record over

00:55:06.802 --> 00:55:11.682
and over again, but it's still the connection would be much deeper in a live

00:55:11.682 --> 00:55:14.142
performance scenario in the same room.

00:55:14.862 --> 00:55:22.102
And this is, I think, one of the difficulties is those true spiritual connections

00:55:22.102 --> 00:55:28.462
happening through performances are people are kind of craving it.

00:55:28.742 --> 00:55:31.342
What do you think, Randall?

00:55:33.902 --> 00:55:40.702
I mean yeah there's there's so much that you know comes from experiencing these things you know,

00:55:41.562 --> 00:55:45.922
I'm not a musician in my and right now in my life I used to perform when I was

00:55:45.922 --> 00:55:49.842
in high school I was in the band and did stuff and there's nothing better than

00:55:49.842 --> 00:55:54.362
you perform for those people that want to be there who want to see what you're

00:55:54.362 --> 00:55:57.282
doing and they give you that recognition for it You know,

00:55:57.322 --> 00:56:00.222
my brother has struggled, uh, in his, you know,

00:56:00.442 --> 00:56:04.502
his side hustle to be a musician throughout the whole time that we've been adults.

00:56:04.722 --> 00:56:08.822
Um, he's never made any, any, anything, uh, worthwhile out of it,

00:56:08.822 --> 00:56:13.762
uh, you know, financially, but he's done some decent music and he's put some decent music out there.

00:56:14.122 --> 00:56:16.662
And there's people who've reached out and said, Hey man, I like this.

00:56:16.722 --> 00:56:20.022
This is really good. So I know, you know, that feeling he gets from it.

00:56:20.682 --> 00:56:24.442
You know, I can, I can, you know, look at people like, you know,

00:56:24.522 --> 00:56:26.502
like I said, Suzanne Santo, Abel James.

00:56:26.722 --> 00:56:31.862
That I've talked to who say that this has given them a spark again to make them

00:56:31.862 --> 00:56:33.582
think, hey, this could change things.

00:56:34.002 --> 00:56:38.422
This could make what I'm doing be more meaningful. It can have more value to

00:56:38.422 --> 00:56:40.782
me because I'm giving more value to these people.

00:56:42.301 --> 00:56:46.021
Well, you're absolutely right. This really truly is revolutionary.

00:56:46.281 --> 00:56:52.901
It's just that not enough people understand or see how revolutionary it truly is.

00:56:54.861 --> 00:56:58.021
If you go to deathmetal.org and click the interviews button,

00:56:58.061 --> 00:56:59.001
there's an interview that I did.

00:56:59.101 --> 00:57:03.981
It was with a completely racist guy, but it doesn't matter.

00:57:04.941 --> 00:57:11.081
The interview was good and in there I have numbers that talk about how much

00:57:11.081 --> 00:57:14.401
money ASCAP and BMI have brought in and I didn't even bring in CSEC this is

00:57:14.401 --> 00:57:18.321
ASCAP and BMI it's something like in the billions of dollars and what we're

00:57:18.321 --> 00:57:20.961
doing in the value for value universe is that we're completely.

00:57:22.261 --> 00:57:27.481
Disintermediating them we're freeing up the potential of putting those kinds

00:57:27.481 --> 00:57:34.121
of dollars into the artist's pocket and that's it is revolutionary And I don't

00:57:34.121 --> 00:57:38.281
know why it's not taking off like fire.

00:57:38.461 --> 00:57:41.121
Like, you know, I don't know why the average person doesn't go,

00:57:41.241 --> 00:57:45.861
oh my goodness, really? I can support my favorite artist directly.

00:57:46.421 --> 00:57:50.601
You know, and when I send him a thousand Satoshis, which is,

00:57:50.801 --> 00:57:53.461
you know, when Bitcoin was a hundred bucks, that was a dollar.

00:57:53.721 --> 00:57:58.441
And when I send him a dollar, he's going to get, you know, 95 cents of that dollar.

00:57:59.161 --> 00:58:08.321
That's pretty awesome. Whereas now, if I buy music for a dollar, the artist gets what?

00:58:08.901 --> 00:58:14.741
A fraction of a penny? What is it? I don't even know. If you have a 99 cent

00:58:14.741 --> 00:58:16.401
song on Apple, what do you get?

00:58:17.212 --> 00:58:20.892
I don't know I'm sure it's not that's exactly

00:58:20.892 --> 00:58:23.872
what you're saying sir libre is exactly like

00:58:23.872 --> 00:58:26.692
I'm like oh my gosh like when I first this all

00:58:26.692 --> 00:58:29.512
these light bulbs came on like dude if there's this band

00:58:29.512 --> 00:58:32.212
that I loved and I and they're putting up their music this way and I

00:58:32.212 --> 00:58:34.952
could all of a sudden be a part of their circle and because they

00:58:34.952 --> 00:58:38.152
have a podcast where they just come on as their regular selves

00:58:38.152 --> 00:58:40.932
however they are you know and they interact with their

00:58:40.932 --> 00:58:43.592
people like I know there are people out there

00:58:43.592 --> 00:58:46.592
that have like big giant chat rooms and all this stuff and I can't handle

00:58:46.592 --> 00:58:49.852
that's crazy like you know it's like but whereas

00:58:49.852 --> 00:58:53.092
this is like intimate like you can actually you're actually

00:58:53.092 --> 00:58:55.892
a person you're not just another million comments on the

00:58:55.892 --> 00:58:58.812
youtube that the artist is never going to really give a crap about

00:58:58.812 --> 00:59:01.772
because they won't look at it and they won't respond to it and maybe they

00:59:01.772 --> 00:59:04.932
will respond to it once in a while but even so there's

00:59:04.932 --> 00:59:08.112
no like you still don't feel like a person to me it's not

00:59:08.112 --> 00:59:11.212
it just doesn't feel real whereas this podcasting 2.0

00:59:11.212 --> 00:59:14.852
and value for value music it is a relationship

00:59:14.852 --> 00:59:17.852
and it is something that you can be a part of for real

00:59:17.852 --> 00:59:23.372
with a musician or podcasters or whatever the heck the art is and you can become

00:59:23.372 --> 00:59:27.312
you know yes yeah I don't know I don't know what to call it you're just with

00:59:27.312 --> 00:59:31.632
them in spirit and soul and part of what's go what they're doing what you're

00:59:31.632 --> 00:59:35.792
doing there's this connection this human connection in this digital age,

00:59:35.972 --> 00:59:38.292
because that's how we all connect now, because I can't seem to find the real

00:59:38.292 --> 00:59:40.812
people at work, outside in my neighborhood.

00:59:40.992 --> 00:59:45.012
Nobody seems to care. Where does everyone care? Well, here we are at the roundtable. We care.

00:59:45.952 --> 00:59:49.832
Welcome to the roundtable. Anyone welcome. Building those relationships still

00:59:49.832 --> 00:59:51.312
is just doing it in a different medium.

00:59:52.052 --> 00:59:56.892
It's still building those up. Like Blueberry says, the real people are in the chat room.

00:59:57.572 --> 01:00:03.032
And yeah, that's awesome. And maybe it's our fault that we're not advertising better,

01:00:03.652 --> 01:00:06.352
but uh it's a handful of you guys and I

01:00:06.352 --> 01:00:09.552
love every single one of you that are in the chat room right now but it's

01:00:09.552 --> 01:00:18.372
just it's not large and that's our fault well okay so even even I uh yeah huge

01:00:18.372 --> 01:00:26.912
sorry go ahead jimmy I've been wanting to bring up the chat room I've been trying

01:00:26.912 --> 01:00:28.772
to get in on the chat room here.

01:00:29.052 --> 01:00:36.032
So I'm looking at names on there that are familiar like Salty Crayon and Ubery and,

01:00:37.852 --> 01:00:44.812
Gal, who I have no idea who that is, but I think we might be friends or something.

01:00:46.652 --> 01:00:50.192
My favorite, I've lost it now. Where did it go?

01:00:52.112 --> 01:00:55.132
My favorite, where did it go? There was,

01:00:56.291 --> 01:01:00.091
captain sweatpants that's my

01:01:00.091 --> 01:01:02.971
favorite that's me is

01:01:02.971 --> 01:01:05.811
it yeah it's for the baby it's okay well

01:01:05.811 --> 01:01:08.631
I like you better when I can't see you see I

01:01:08.631 --> 01:01:11.851
told you I'd get you uh okay so

01:01:11.851 --> 01:01:14.651
look what we have here is

01:01:14.651 --> 01:01:17.671
we have a troll room going on with a bunch

01:01:17.671 --> 01:01:21.431
of other people so I want to mention uberi

01:01:21.431 --> 01:01:24.331
because I've been paying

01:01:24.331 --> 01:01:27.931
a lot of attention to what he's doing and um

01:01:27.931 --> 01:01:30.851
I've never really talked to the fella too much but

01:01:30.851 --> 01:01:34.671
he's busy and that

01:01:34.671 --> 01:01:37.711
brother is bringing value to

01:01:37.711 --> 01:01:41.171
this place and he's doing some really cool

01:01:41.171 --> 01:01:45.251
shit with the live music stuff and

01:01:45.251 --> 01:01:48.291
um I'm like I'm.

01:01:48.291 --> 01:01:51.191
Working on some things behind the scenes here like I'm

01:01:51.191 --> 01:01:53.851
in the process of putting a band together and we're going

01:01:53.851 --> 01:01:57.291
to start rehearsals and I'm setting up this room to

01:01:57.291 --> 01:02:00.871
be a live performance facility with multiple

01:02:00.871 --> 01:02:04.231
cameras and whatnot and and audio feeds

01:02:04.231 --> 01:02:08.251
and I'm working on that and I'm

01:02:08.251 --> 01:02:11.291
just so glad like there's people like blueberry out

01:02:11.291 --> 01:02:14.371
there who are really working hard to

01:02:14.371 --> 01:02:17.411
figure out how to make this stuff work and so

01:02:17.411 --> 01:02:20.571
when I figure out what I'm doing they they're

01:02:20.571 --> 01:02:23.811
like out there blazing the trails so

01:02:23.811 --> 01:02:27.091
I personally right now

01:02:27.091 --> 01:02:30.671
would like to thank blueberry for all

01:02:30.671 --> 01:02:34.151
of his efforts and whatnot because you know honestly

01:02:34.151 --> 01:02:36.911
like I don't think people recognize just how

01:02:36.911 --> 01:02:42.531
much he's contributing here that's my two cents worth oh yeah the work he does

01:02:42.531 --> 01:02:48.491
on the skirmishes let alone all the artists he helps uh you know self-host basically

01:02:48.491 --> 01:02:54.951
is uh definitely um off the charts off the v4v charts.

01:02:58.182 --> 01:03:00.842
Um, yeah. All right.

01:03:01.482 --> 01:03:05.182
Well, that was cool. Yeah. Thank you. Um, it's called feedback.

01:03:05.502 --> 01:03:07.782
I'm giving some feedback here right now regarding blueberry.

01:03:08.402 --> 01:03:12.922
That mother has been working his ass off doing all kinds of words.

01:03:13.662 --> 01:03:19.162
I'm sorry. I'm fighting words. I apologize. That person has been working his

01:03:19.162 --> 01:03:23.202
butt off, just doing a great job, uh, putting together these value for value

01:03:23.202 --> 01:03:27.142
skirmishes and all this stuff. And he's been a true value for value advocate

01:03:27.142 --> 01:03:27.942
from the very beginning.

01:03:28.182 --> 01:03:34.322
With Behind the Schemes and everything that he does, that guy deserves a lot of accolades.

01:03:34.422 --> 01:03:36.322
I mean, for real. Like, he really, truly does.

01:03:38.342 --> 01:03:43.722
I agree. I concur. And I got the $100, too.

01:03:44.002 --> 01:03:48.802
So, it's a joke. Jeez, people.

01:03:49.282 --> 01:03:51.342
Take it and relax, will you?

01:03:51.842 --> 01:03:54.322
So, what is there, like, let me see.

01:03:57.742 --> 01:04:02.382
There's 900 people in the troll room right now. 900.

01:04:06.442 --> 01:04:10.522
900 people in the troll room, which is, you know, below average,

01:04:10.702 --> 01:04:13.122
because normally we have about 2200.

01:04:14.062 --> 01:04:18.682
Well, what is the average? Is it Thursday or Sunday? Sorry, I'm on an off day.

01:04:18.862 --> 01:04:20.462
We're on an off day. We're not on Thursday or Sunday.

01:04:21.802 --> 01:04:29.122
Yeah. Last time we did the podcast. I'd like to thank all of the millions of listeners and, um,

01:04:31.142 --> 01:04:36.782
Hey, so I, it's the V for the round table.

01:04:38.082 --> 01:04:39.762
So, you know.

01:04:41.807 --> 01:04:45.347
Anything else you had, you wanted to, any of y'all were thinking like,

01:04:45.467 --> 01:04:48.227
I want to talk about, I want to, I want to say this or that.

01:04:48.447 --> 01:04:51.107
Is there any last, you know, thoughts? Yeah, I do.

01:04:52.427 --> 01:04:55.947
I was under the impression that we were going to do a topic per person.

01:04:55.947 --> 01:04:59.787
And then we were going to chat about that for 15 minutes or so.

01:04:59.847 --> 01:05:02.527
And then I'll riff upon it for a while.

01:05:03.167 --> 01:05:06.867
Well, let's do that. Okay. Let's do that. Hour and a half in. I'm here.

01:05:07.667 --> 01:05:10.607
I'm ready. uh so I posed a question

01:05:10.607 --> 01:05:14.147
to my audience my lightning thrashes audience that um

01:05:14.147 --> 01:05:17.067
what do you want me to talk about and I

01:05:17.067 --> 01:05:19.707
got a Boostagram gram in which I don't I unfortunately I don't

01:05:19.707 --> 01:05:22.587
have in front of me I wish I did um so I can give credit where

01:05:22.587 --> 01:05:25.327
credit is due but um one guy asked me

01:05:25.327 --> 01:05:28.247
he's like he he wanted to know how he can how

01:05:28.247 --> 01:05:31.207
he can get into the value verse into the into the the

01:05:31.207 --> 01:05:35.307
world of v4v as a um podcaster

01:05:35.307 --> 01:05:39.887
or musician he didn't specify um on the cheap like how can I do this without

01:05:39.887 --> 01:05:45.967
spending a ton of money and to be honest it's actually really really easy like

01:05:45.967 --> 01:05:52.107
if you're a musician it's super easy oh yeah all you got to do it's ridiculously easy,

01:05:52.767 --> 01:05:54.647
yeah you just need a colomone in your life.

01:05:57.847 --> 01:06:00.587
Or a wavelength or a wavelength so I

01:06:00.587 --> 01:06:03.467
was getting I'm getting at that so check it out so all you need

01:06:03.467 --> 01:06:09.107
is an rss feed a wallet and a host now I've posted tutorials up on v4vmusic.com

01:06:09.107 --> 01:06:13.647
it's v the number four v music.com that talks about this then those tutorials

01:06:13.647 --> 01:06:17.647
do need to be updated because they were written over a year ago but some things

01:06:17.647 --> 01:06:21.267
have changed but in mostly things are the same but,

01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:24.980
The cheapest and easiest way to do it, if you're a musician,

01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:27.100
for real, is get yourself a wallet.

01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:31.700
Go to Fountain.com, get yourself a wallet. And then contact Booberry at ThunderRoad.media.

01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:35.200
He'll handle it all for you. All you got to do is give him some information,

01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:39.660
and he'll do all the heavy work. And he only takes a 3% split.

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:45.180
1% goes to the music side project, 1% goes to the boo spot, and 1% goes to him.

01:06:45.380 --> 01:06:49.400
He doesn't take any—he's doing it for free. His hosting costs more than that.

01:06:49.480 --> 01:06:51.520
He will be your Colamona.

01:06:51.940 --> 01:06:58.060
He will be your Colomona. Sorry. He won't hold your hand in the entire podcast all along the way.

01:06:59.400 --> 01:07:05.300
Well, there's another thing you could do. You could go to rssblue.com and give

01:07:05.300 --> 01:07:10.000
them a few bucks, like five bucks or something like that. No, no, no. We could do that.

01:07:10.340 --> 01:07:12.600
No, we're doing this on the cheap. Right?

01:07:13.180 --> 01:07:18.100
Five bucks is cheap. RSS Blue is not on the cheap, and it's not five bucks.

01:07:18.140 --> 01:07:21.700
It's five bucks for three songs. If I remember correctly, I'm probably getting this wrong.

01:07:21.940 --> 01:07:24.460
And then for every other song that you add, you've got to pay more money. No.

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:30.360
Well, no, it's based on the length of the file. Yeah, that too. Yeah.

01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:34.240
I don't have any problem with RSS Blue.

01:07:34.620 --> 01:07:36.840
I don't either. I've got no problem with it. I don't either.

01:07:36.960 --> 01:07:39.080
If you've got money, RSS Blue is great.

01:07:39.460 --> 01:07:42.760
But what we're talking about is on the cheap. Yeah, but $5, $10,

01:07:43.020 --> 01:07:46.220
we're not talking about hundreds of dollars.

01:07:46.520 --> 01:07:49.680
RSS Blue is an outfit. You're not talking about that. But the listener,

01:07:49.940 --> 01:07:53.120
the person who asked me this question wants to do it on the cheap.

01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:56.700
So I'm giving them the cheap option. Buyboxescheap.net.

01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:58.980
RSS Blue is cheap.

01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:05.920
It's not cheaper than free. It's not cheaper than free. Then the other option is Wavlake. Correct.

01:08:06.480 --> 01:08:11.480
Wavlake will take 10% of your cut, which is still not much, to be honest.

01:08:11.700 --> 01:08:13.020
I mean, it's actually not a

01:08:13.020 --> 01:08:16.940
bad deal compared to the... There's plenty of ways to do it on the cheap.

01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:22.300
No shit Jimmy the easiest part of this whole thing,

01:08:23.623 --> 01:08:27.583
I didn't hear what you said because I was talking. Yes, be quiet for a minute.

01:08:27.863 --> 01:08:30.883
Let me talk about my subject, then you can interject afterwards.

01:08:32.203 --> 01:08:37.443
Thank you. Yes, sir. I love you, Jimmy. Just calm down for a minute.

01:08:37.983 --> 01:08:41.543
Wavlake. No, you don't. You hate me, but you work with me anyway.

01:08:43.003 --> 01:08:50.223
Wavlake is the next deepest option, right? They're going to take 10% of your cut, whatever.

01:08:51.303 --> 01:08:55.043
Self-hosting, you can do that using Sovereign Feeds.

01:08:55.603 --> 01:08:58.883
Steven Bell has set it up so that you can easily create your feed.

01:08:59.083 --> 01:09:04.063
And he's also set up a system where you can host your files using bunny.net.

01:09:04.143 --> 01:09:06.483
And you can do that for as little as a dollar a month.

01:09:06.723 --> 01:09:10.803
Much cheaper than RSS Blue, like six times cheaper.

01:09:12.043 --> 01:09:15.723
You can do that for a buck a month. And all you got to do is go to sovereignfeeds.com

01:09:15.723 --> 01:09:21.043
and fill out a form and upload your MP3 file. It doesn't get any easier than that.

01:09:21.263 --> 01:09:27.363
And then the third thing after that, and I guess RSS Blue would probably come

01:09:27.363 --> 01:09:29.383
in here, which you can do.

01:09:29.523 --> 01:09:33.543
And they have weird pricing structure, which I got into a big fight with Dovidas

01:09:33.543 --> 01:09:36.203
over a year and a half ago that I don't ever want to come back to again,

01:09:36.223 --> 01:09:39.103
because I do love and respect that man. I think he's awesome.

01:09:40.008 --> 01:09:46.788
I really, truly do. But after RSSBlue.com, then the easiest thing,

01:09:47.088 --> 01:09:49.968
the cheapest thing you can do at that point is get yourself a server,

01:09:50.208 --> 01:09:52.488
like something on DigitalOcean or Linode or whatever.

01:09:52.868 --> 01:09:55.528
The downside to that is that you got to be your own systems admin.

01:09:55.828 --> 01:09:58.968
And the upside is you can get all kinds of stuff. You get a website,

01:09:58.988 --> 01:10:00.208
you can get a streaming service.

01:10:00.528 --> 01:10:04.268
Everything that JimmyV4V.com is set up on is on a DigitalOcean server.

01:10:04.548 --> 01:10:07.548
Everything that I do is on DigitalOcean server. I host probably 10 different

01:10:07.548 --> 01:10:09.688
domains on one server that cost me like nothing.

01:10:10.008 --> 01:10:13.708
I mean, 15 bucks a month, you know, it didn't cost me nothing.

01:10:14.448 --> 01:10:18.388
Yeah. Well, and then you can do what Randy does, which is a different set of

01:10:18.388 --> 01:10:22.508
type of hosting, but you also need to have some skills and that's it.

01:10:22.668 --> 01:10:25.168
And that's pretty much it. But the important thing is all my media,

01:10:25.328 --> 01:10:28.208
all my images, it's all hosted on bunny on CDN.

01:10:28.708 --> 01:10:30.428
Okay. My websites are all just

01:10:30.428 --> 01:10:33.908
put into GitHub and posted with Cloudflare pages. It doesn't cost a thing.

01:10:34.088 --> 01:10:37.768
See, that's cool. That's an option I haven't ever really explored yet,

01:10:37.768 --> 01:10:40.428
but there are cheap ways to do this so you don't

01:10:40.428 --> 01:10:43.348
have to break the bank to get into v4v but the most important

01:10:43.348 --> 01:10:46.448
thing the most important thing is to close the loop look

01:10:46.448 --> 01:10:49.808
at what tj has done with into the doorful verse he has

01:10:49.808 --> 01:10:52.668
been he has created a loop that has been able to

01:10:52.668 --> 01:11:00.088
communicate back with the listeners most musicians don't know how to do that

01:11:00.088 --> 01:11:04.528
and I don't know I don't know how you close the loop or how you as a musician

01:11:04.528 --> 01:11:10.268
will close that loop but having a podcast like the doorfuls have is a great way to do it.

01:11:10.688 --> 01:11:14.488
Social media, but you need to thank people. When they send you a Boostagram

01:11:14.488 --> 01:11:17.428
in, you need to thank them individually for that Boostagram.

01:11:17.528 --> 01:11:19.888
We learn that from No Agenda. That's why we do it.

01:11:20.328 --> 01:11:23.488
Like we didn't thank Salty for the one that came in a little bit ago?

01:11:24.308 --> 01:11:28.468
Oh, I know, right? Did we get a Boostagram? Yes, we did.

01:11:28.748 --> 01:11:33.928
And speaking of thanking people, we got 5,000 Satoshis from the one and only

01:11:33.928 --> 01:11:37.208
Salty Cran, the host of the Upbeats Value for Value music show.

01:11:37.428 --> 01:11:43.588
And he writes in, he writes in the boys are back in town and cooking up some conversation.

01:11:46.528 --> 01:11:50.968
Sorry that's me thank you salty I appreciate it man,

01:11:53.449 --> 01:11:58.009
okay that was my round that's pretty cool talk amongst yourselves okay no I

01:11:58.009 --> 01:12:02.529
want randy did you have any thoughts that you didn't really get to get out that

01:12:02.529 --> 01:12:03.749
you're like I really wanted to,

01:12:04.469 --> 01:12:08.989
you know think think or talk on this thing back back to a little bit of what

01:12:08.989 --> 01:12:14.209
we said a little bit ago about you know the connection we can make um I've been

01:12:14.209 --> 01:12:15.929
able through podcasting,

01:12:16.669 --> 01:12:19.369
um through that and even you know not just value for value but just through

01:12:19.369 --> 01:12:24.169
podcasting in general to make connections with people that I probably never would have made.

01:12:24.569 --> 01:12:28.669
Yeah, agreed. For example, I exchange emails with the podfather.

01:12:28.989 --> 01:12:30.769
I exchange emails with the podfather.

01:12:31.269 --> 01:12:36.009
Yeah, that's cool. You know, and I've gotten to be really good friends over

01:12:36.009 --> 01:12:39.949
text messages with someone that everybody hears about all the time on Adam's

01:12:39.949 --> 01:12:42.349
podcast with his wife, Sir Brian with an I.

01:12:42.729 --> 01:12:45.749
Brian's a nice guy. He's pretty cool. Texts with him all the time.

01:12:45.849 --> 01:12:47.169
The cause of podcasting.

01:12:47.329 --> 01:12:50.309
Dave Jackson runs the school of podcasting. You want to learn how to podcast

01:12:50.309 --> 01:12:52.409
because you have no clue? You go to Dave Jackson.

01:12:52.889 --> 01:12:56.129
Dave Jackson and I are friends on social media. I talk to him all the time.

01:12:56.669 --> 01:13:01.769
You know, I've been able to make these connections with people because of the medium we have.

01:13:02.049 --> 01:13:04.149
Stuff people that I wouldn't have been able to talk to before,

01:13:04.389 --> 01:13:05.989
would not have had connections with before.

01:13:06.749 --> 01:13:12.449
I'm so much more grateful for that than I am for any value financially someone

01:13:12.449 --> 01:13:16.649
could send me because the value of that is so much stronger. Absolutely.

01:13:17.409 --> 01:13:19.909
I agree with that. Like you three guys are a good example of that.

01:13:20.129 --> 01:13:21.409
Shad Pharaoh is another example.

01:13:22.049 --> 01:13:26.249
Salty Cran. Like these people, none of you guys that have been in my life if

01:13:26.249 --> 01:13:29.549
it wasn't for value for value, because I'm busy on my homestead trying to,

01:13:29.549 --> 01:13:35.149
you know, dig a hole or, you know what I mean? Like build a compost pile.

01:13:35.309 --> 01:13:41.449
Like I, you guys are my social outlet, which is cool and kind of sad.

01:13:43.109 --> 01:13:44.289
Thanks, I guess.

01:13:48.209 --> 01:13:50.909
Come on come on I mean you and I exchange messages at least

01:13:50.909 --> 01:13:53.629
because we've been able to make a connection through what we do here yeah what

01:13:53.629 --> 01:13:56.689
we're doing in the medium and it's cool and it's awesome I

01:13:56.689 --> 01:13:59.909
love it yep like if if yes

01:13:59.909 --> 01:14:02.669
you would reach out hey randy something's going

01:14:02.669 --> 01:14:05.529
on I need some help if I could get there and help you I'd

01:14:05.529 --> 01:14:08.309
get there and help you I did I needed your buds and you sent them to me thank

01:14:08.309 --> 01:14:12.309
you yeah that did happen I did I did send you some earbuds for amazon because

01:14:12.309 --> 01:14:16.569
salty salty sent me the mouse that I'm using it's awesome did you guys see we

01:14:16.569 --> 01:14:23.709
got a Boostagram in from the one the only queen mother she says enjoying listening to you guys,

01:14:25.037 --> 01:14:28.837
What? He says. What? What?

01:14:29.377 --> 01:14:33.857
I know who that is. You can't fool me. I know who that is.

01:14:34.117 --> 01:14:39.017
Thank you. She's the mother of the door of your value verse. Really?

01:14:40.417 --> 01:14:45.117
Yeah. She's a woman must be tired with all you guys. Yeah.

01:14:47.557 --> 01:14:51.317
She's the, yes, she's the queen mother.

01:14:52.017 --> 01:14:56.937
To quote a very, very wise man. There's no shortage of doorfuls.

01:14:57.257 --> 01:14:59.297
Yes. No shortage of doorfuls.

01:15:00.817 --> 01:15:04.937
Yeah. Yeah, I heard that somewhere. I read that somewhere.

01:15:05.237 --> 01:15:08.877
Well, so I have one question I'd love for the people listening.

01:15:09.777 --> 01:15:14.117
Well, sorry, Jimmy. We got a delay, so that's why I start talking over you. I really apologize.

01:15:14.317 --> 01:15:18.117
It's not a bad delay, but it's enough that I start talking, and then you start

01:15:18.117 --> 01:15:19.737
talking, and it's too late.

01:15:20.657 --> 01:15:22.957
Go ahead, man. Yeah, I know.

01:15:23.917 --> 01:15:27.337
Well, okay. Um, I already forgot what I was going to say.

01:15:27.717 --> 01:15:35.437
Um, Booberry asked if more people is better and that's a valid question.

01:15:35.837 --> 01:15:42.117
Um, however, the, uh, it depends on what your motivation is.

01:15:42.317 --> 01:15:46.537
I would say like, I think

01:15:46.537 --> 01:15:49.677
that it would be in our best interest

01:15:49.677 --> 01:15:53.357
to create a scenario where where at

01:15:53.357 --> 01:15:56.557
least lots of the artists the really

01:15:56.557 --> 01:16:00.137
good artists could earn some actual revenue

01:16:00.137 --> 01:16:08.317
from their their art like there's some really good skilled talented experienced

01:16:08.317 --> 01:16:16.517
people here and they got something to deliver and it would be nice like it was

01:16:16.517 --> 01:16:19.957
earlier mentioned about the you know Susan Santos,

01:16:20.197 --> 01:16:22.457
and she made more here than on Spotify.

01:16:22.457 --> 01:16:25.337
And that's exactly my same experience.

01:16:25.777 --> 01:16:33.237
Like, my streaming audio earnings over the last five years are negative $100.

01:16:34.177 --> 01:16:38.917
And I'm plus $300 or $400 in the V4V world.

01:16:38.917 --> 01:16:45.457
So I can't exactly tell you where that all came from because I did other stuff,

01:16:45.597 --> 01:16:48.117
but put songs out and podcasts and stuff.

01:16:48.117 --> 01:16:53.857
And so it's a positive revenue stream, but I'm not going to pretend that it

01:16:53.857 --> 01:16:57.677
has made any financial difference in my life.

01:16:58.217 --> 01:17:05.417
And, um, I doubt that there's any more than one or two people have seen this.

01:17:07.195 --> 01:17:10.295
That kind of money if anybody like in the

01:17:10.295 --> 01:17:13.515
fortune magazine article I believe ainsley

01:17:13.515 --> 01:17:16.675
costella was quoted at earnings of

01:17:16.675 --> 01:17:19.995
thirteen thousand dollars and over

01:17:19.995 --> 01:17:23.815
the course of a year thirteen thousand dollars

01:17:23.815 --> 01:17:26.775
compared to what I saw with my own eyes

01:17:26.775 --> 01:17:30.055
those that family sunk way more

01:17:30.055 --> 01:17:33.755
than that into what they were doing and so

01:17:33.755 --> 01:17:36.655
13 000 she's the

01:17:36.655 --> 01:17:39.955
like she's the all-time number one artist that's

01:17:39.955 --> 01:17:42.935
the most anybody earned nobody even came

01:17:42.935 --> 01:17:46.735
in at half of that and a handful

01:17:46.735 --> 01:17:49.575
of people earned a couple thousand bucks and a

01:17:49.575 --> 01:17:53.695
few more people earned a few hundred bucks and it

01:17:53.695 --> 01:17:56.755
more people listening would mean more

01:17:56.755 --> 01:17:59.715
earnings for the people it mean more

01:17:59.715 --> 01:18:02.755
potential possibilities of of earning

01:18:02.755 --> 01:18:05.495
but ultimately it's still based on the

01:18:05.495 --> 01:18:08.955
value for value model going to be up to the the

01:18:08.955 --> 01:18:13.035
relationship the artist makes and the connection the artist makes with the people

01:18:13.035 --> 01:18:16.915
because you don't have some label or someone saying okay you have a you know

01:18:16.915 --> 01:18:20.875
this many streams so you get this much it's literally all dependent on the people

01:18:20.875 --> 01:18:25.995
and so that's why it's don't think about oh I deserve to make a living, it's,

01:18:26.315 --> 01:18:30.115
oh, I'm a real person and I'm going to treat my producers or my listeners,

01:18:30.255 --> 01:18:31.095
whatever you want to call them,

01:18:31.655 --> 01:18:33.535
like real people too, because they deserve that.

01:18:34.235 --> 01:18:39.815
And I think that's where you're going to create it. I've never had an expectation

01:18:39.815 --> 01:18:43.135
myself of earning a living at this, and I still don't.

01:18:43.235 --> 01:18:48.235
And that's actually, that's kind of a misrepresentation of what I said,

01:18:48.235 --> 01:18:55.535
Because I'm talking about an actual financial reward for the artist.

01:18:55.855 --> 01:19:01.195
I'm not like, this isn't a personal issue. This is an artist issue. I gotcha.

01:19:02.352 --> 01:19:05.252
You you are the you guys the

01:19:05.252 --> 01:19:08.392
doorfuls there you put out a ton of music

01:19:08.392 --> 01:19:11.552
and a lot of it's really really good

01:19:11.552 --> 01:19:15.812
and of high value and like you

01:19:15.812 --> 01:19:18.692
didn't none of you got to

01:19:18.692 --> 01:19:21.852
buy a new house because of it and I'm

01:19:21.852 --> 01:19:27.952
not saying you should but it's the

01:19:27.952 --> 01:19:30.932
question was is more people better

01:19:30.932 --> 01:19:33.732
and if you can the more you can

01:19:33.732 --> 01:19:37.272
reward the artist the better the you

01:19:37.272 --> 01:19:40.292
know like you can reward the artist that means you're going to get more

01:19:40.292 --> 01:19:43.252
better artists yeah and and the third if the

01:19:43.252 --> 01:19:46.552
artist is and the people will know it'll it'll just the uh

01:19:46.552 --> 01:19:49.712
interaction will continue if the artist gets more support.

01:19:49.712 --> 01:19:52.692
And because they're active and people are loving this person

01:19:52.692 --> 01:19:55.412
or artist or whatever I mean they're just going

01:19:55.412 --> 01:19:58.392
to keep the support will keep growing I mean that's that's the idea anyways

01:19:58.392 --> 01:20:01.192
I'm not saying that's exactly how it's happening but it seems to

01:20:01.192 --> 01:20:04.452
be actually happening very slow very very slowly

01:20:04.452 --> 01:20:07.572
in the value verse um but not

01:20:07.572 --> 01:20:10.392
in any kind of scale like you said you know we're not buying a house heck we're

01:20:10.392 --> 01:20:14.012
not buying a car heck we're not even buying you know like groceries

01:20:14.012 --> 01:20:18.412
yeah we're not so but again

01:20:18.412 --> 01:20:21.212
it's not like you know we're not looking for the money here

01:20:21.212 --> 01:20:24.212
but I guess if you're the artist was authentic and we had

01:20:24.212 --> 01:20:27.152
the people like because you're talking about uh blueberry's question with

01:20:27.152 --> 01:20:30.772
the people right um like is more better um

01:20:30.772 --> 01:20:33.612
well it could be better in the sense of

01:20:33.612 --> 01:20:37.132
you're giving that artist more uh time

01:20:37.132 --> 01:20:43.752
to uh create something that apparently is uh very valuable because if if hypothetically

01:20:43.752 --> 01:20:47.632
that artist kept getting more people that really kept following them well then

01:20:47.632 --> 01:20:53.612
it must be worth something you know like I don't but anyways speaking personally

01:20:53.612 --> 01:20:56.572
as a performing recording artist.

01:20:57.878 --> 01:21:05.118
I can unequivocally state that performing for a full room, a room full of people,

01:21:05.298 --> 01:21:09.378
no matter how big that room is, if it's full of people and they're into it,

01:21:09.558 --> 01:21:15.998
it's way better than performing for an empty room, no matter how small it is.

01:21:15.998 --> 01:21:23.218
So I think that same principle applies from the artistic perspective.

01:21:23.218 --> 01:21:30.818
I think the same principle applies to the V4V world, that the larger the audience is,

01:21:31.658 --> 01:21:39.398
the more interesting and engaging the performance the performers will be.

01:21:39.838 --> 01:21:45.138
All artists want to be in the full rooms. So...

01:21:45.998 --> 01:21:51.918
I don't know. I think more is probably better, but not just randomly more.

01:21:52.118 --> 01:21:58.618
I think we need more of the people who love to discover new music.

01:21:58.838 --> 01:22:02.438
Like we're not going to get the people who want to hear Stairway to Avenue.

01:22:03.098 --> 01:22:07.798
Hey, we need a clone Chad Pharaoh. We just need a thousand Chad Pharaohs. Yeah.

01:22:08.018 --> 01:22:13.878
Well, that's all we need. I already put out a, I already put out a large reward

01:22:13.878 --> 01:22:17.858
for anyone that could provide me with more chads. That's right.

01:22:18.158 --> 01:22:21.958
The reward is out there. Just take it people.

01:22:22.398 --> 01:22:26.578
And it's, it's not even, it's not even that it's about, you know,

01:22:26.638 --> 01:22:30.838
like we, we keep talking about for the artists as in the musicians,

01:22:30.838 --> 01:22:33.318
it's the same way for anybody who's podcasting.

01:22:33.518 --> 01:22:37.658
It's the exact same concept, getting that audience, getting those people that

01:22:37.658 --> 01:22:41.498
love what you're doing and supporting you and showing you that love and the

01:22:41.498 --> 01:22:43.798
value they return to you. It's the same concept.

01:22:45.194 --> 01:22:52.034
Yeah, I agree. You got to deliver. You have to deliver the initial V in the equation.

01:22:52.274 --> 01:22:58.854
If V for V, the initial V must be significant. It comes from you. Agreed.

01:22:59.534 --> 01:23:05.114
That's kind of like unwritten. That's a law of physics, isn't it? Yeah, I agree.

01:23:05.714 --> 01:23:11.234
So Salty brings up a question in the chat room, and he says,

01:23:11.234 --> 01:23:16.834
how do you keep people, or he asks, how do you keep people in V4V that go to

01:23:16.834 --> 01:23:20.334
the live shows that seem to disappear within a week or two?

01:23:20.694 --> 01:23:26.654
And I think that maybe my response to this is, so these are just regular average

01:23:26.654 --> 01:23:30.694
everyday folk that happen to pop into Boostagram Ball Live and get excited.

01:23:30.754 --> 01:23:34.374
And then a couple of weeks later, they're just distracted.

01:23:36.254 --> 01:23:40.534
There's a thing. They're wandering around looking for where to go maybe. Yeah.

01:23:40.954 --> 01:23:46.814
Well, there's a thing a guy named Dan Kennedy, who was a marketer, brought up.

01:23:46.934 --> 01:23:49.314
He said, you got to keep hitting people with the message.

01:23:49.514 --> 01:23:53.934
You got to keep hitting them with the message because people get distracted.

01:23:54.154 --> 01:23:57.454
A lot of people don't donate because they don't get asked.

01:23:57.614 --> 01:24:02.434
They get distracted with life. They forget about you. You have to be out there advertising to them.

01:24:02.574 --> 01:24:07.474
And when we have episodes or shows like the Boostagram Ball or even the Satellite

01:24:07.474 --> 01:24:10.214
Scrimmages, for that example, or for that matter,

01:24:11.554 --> 01:24:15.534
we're not collecting names and numbers and addresses that we can build a mailing

01:24:15.534 --> 01:24:21.134
list to then send off a newsletter every Wednesday and Saturday, like John does.

01:24:21.814 --> 01:24:26.214
I mean, that's what we need to be doing. We need to be contacting these people

01:24:26.214 --> 01:24:30.514
on a regular basis and touching their lives on a regular basis because they

01:24:30.514 --> 01:24:33.574
will forget about us because they have life that they have to deal with.

01:24:33.714 --> 01:24:38.034
It's just is what it is. And that's the only way that I know how to keep them from disappearing.

01:24:40.394 --> 01:24:44.874
Well, you have to provide somewhere to go.

01:24:45.114 --> 01:24:56.474
And I think it works better if what you're providing has a broad base of...

01:24:59.514 --> 01:25:07.594
This is running with scissors in its truest sense.

01:25:07.594 --> 01:25:14.274
Like we're trying to reconstruct something that's already built and been working

01:25:14.274 --> 01:25:16.794
for decades and decades and decades.

01:25:16.794 --> 01:25:23.334
And it's all built on, on way more than it seems. There's way more going on

01:25:23.334 --> 01:25:25.154
here than it looks on the surface.

01:25:26.434 --> 01:25:33.314
And we're trying to slice off a little piece of the internet or, uh,

01:25:34.437 --> 01:25:40.417
Like, I don't see this as being a marketplace or whatever where you have,

01:25:40.437 --> 01:25:42.097
you know, a billion people.

01:25:42.337 --> 01:25:46.357
I'm thinking that out there in the world on the internet,

01:25:46.357 --> 01:25:52.977
there are at least a few hundred thousand people who would love to have a place

01:25:52.977 --> 01:25:59.017
where they could just discover brand new music that they've never heard before

01:25:59.017 --> 01:26:03.837
and fall in love with a whole bunch of new songs and new artists.

01:26:03.837 --> 01:26:10.577
And like, that's what we're working on and we were not delivering it yet.

01:26:10.577 --> 01:26:18.817
So we're not trying to promote it, but that's, I don't think things really work

01:26:18.817 --> 01:26:25.317
well until Joe and Susie Average and drop into a space where they can be,

01:26:25.477 --> 01:26:28.177
but you have to, it's Joe and Susie.

01:26:28.277 --> 01:26:35.057
It's not Joe and Susie Average. It's a very small demographic of Joe and Susie Average.

01:26:35.337 --> 01:26:40.937
Most people love music, but most people love their old favorite songs.

01:26:41.837 --> 01:26:48.737
So those aren't the people like we don't have Stairway to Heaven as a part of this system.

01:26:49.497 --> 01:26:53.857
So we have to create brand new stairways to Heaven.

01:26:54.217 --> 01:27:01.197
We have to create new favorite songs. And to do that, we first have to attract

01:27:01.197 --> 01:27:08.777
those people who are already passionate about discovering new music.

01:27:08.857 --> 01:27:11.797
And that's going to be my focus.

01:27:15.097 --> 01:27:21.577
Yeah but then we also got to we also got to remind them on a regular basis to be there for us,

01:27:22.257 --> 01:27:24.997
absolutely and you know what I always think about it well if

01:27:24.997 --> 01:27:27.977
it's just me but I always kind of feel bad or something whenever

01:27:27.977 --> 01:27:30.937
I kind of refer to trying to get more people and being then just

01:27:30.937 --> 01:27:34.197
like start generalizing it like normies and all this because

01:27:34.197 --> 01:27:37.097
I remember learning about no agenda

01:27:37.097 --> 01:27:39.817
learn learning this and learning it's like I was just I was a

01:27:39.817 --> 01:27:44.057
nobody but I'm not I was tj and then I could learn to interact and they and

01:27:44.057 --> 01:27:47.997
they just started making sense on how to do that whether once Boostagrams came

01:27:47.997 --> 01:27:52.477
along or just the troll room or you know all the uh what did they have at the

01:27:52.477 --> 01:27:57.417
time um no agenda social or whatever it is now no authority social and you know

01:27:57.417 --> 01:27:58.297
you start interact it's like,

01:27:59.184 --> 01:28:02.344
They started and people would treat you not like a rando, but like,

01:28:02.724 --> 01:28:07.084
hey, you know, like if you got involved, you can be a part of the family.

01:28:07.284 --> 01:28:11.004
Like we already said in the chat a while ago, like the light is on, doors open.

01:28:11.324 --> 01:28:15.764
Like we're not just looking for rando Joe and Sue, like make sure it's easy

01:28:15.764 --> 01:28:18.164
so we can just get a bunch of randos to just consume my stuff.

01:28:18.404 --> 01:28:21.064
It's like, no, like we want to be part of the family if you want.

01:28:22.504 --> 01:28:25.984
Here's some light ways. This family is very welcoming.

01:28:25.984 --> 01:28:28.644
Like oh yeah uh I've been doing this for about a year

01:28:28.644 --> 01:28:31.884
and a half now and I have I feel

01:28:31.884 --> 01:28:34.924
that I've been welcomed welcomed into the fold like you

01:28:34.924 --> 01:28:37.784
know hanging out with all the people in the chat rooms and whatnot and the bowl

01:28:37.784 --> 01:28:42.004
after bowl crowd and you know sir spencer dane delorean and all that which happens

01:28:42.004 --> 01:28:46.144
to be on right now bowls with buds is happening right now so you're missing

01:28:46.144 --> 01:28:50.484
the you're missing bowls with buds if you're listening to us right now but um

01:28:50.484 --> 01:28:53.964
they might not start on that They might not have started yet.

01:28:55.024 --> 01:28:57.104
We just lost our last three listeners.

01:28:58.904 --> 01:29:05.584
We'd go, Sir Libre. I know, right? But it's very welcoming. It's a big tent, you know?

01:29:07.244 --> 01:29:15.024
Yeah, if you step across some boundaries, they will hit you pretty hard.

01:29:15.604 --> 01:29:22.724
You know, it happens. If you say some dumb shit, then you're going to get the hammer.

01:29:23.944 --> 01:29:29.724
It's a metaphorical hammer, but they don't suffer too many fools, but it's awesome.

01:29:30.824 --> 01:29:35.344
It's a brotherhood and a sisterhood or whatever you want to call it. It's a camaraderie.

01:29:36.044 --> 01:29:39.664
I love it. Yeah, and so we're just a bunch of dudes who love Value for Value

01:29:39.664 --> 01:29:41.404
music. We see all this potential.

01:29:41.824 --> 01:29:45.984
We see all these great things happening, whether it's happening slowly or whether

01:29:45.984 --> 01:29:49.724
we went backwards a step or two, but now we're trying to get those steps back

01:29:49.724 --> 01:29:53.384
and we just wanted to get together and talk about it.

01:29:53.604 --> 01:29:57.984
And I think we're about at the end here, fellas, if, if you guys are feeling

01:29:57.984 --> 01:30:02.444
that and thank anyone for listening. I personally, again, enjoy talking about

01:30:02.444 --> 01:30:06.884
this stuff with people and would love to do this a little bit more regularly than once a year.

01:30:07.724 --> 01:30:11.524
Yeah. Even again, even if it's just for us, cause we like to talk about all

01:30:11.524 --> 01:30:14.024
the little issues we're trying to figure out and, and whatever.

01:30:15.100 --> 01:30:19.060
I just feel honored that I'm the second person who's guested on this after the pod father.

01:30:19.660 --> 01:30:22.800
After the pod father. Yep. Absolutely. Hey, he didn't know it was our first

01:30:22.800 --> 01:30:25.320
episode. Yeah. We got your money. Don't worry.

01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:28.380
I wanted to say something about that.

01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:33.120
Randy, Randy has been itching. What do you call it?

01:30:33.220 --> 01:30:37.500
Chomping at the bit or champing at the bit where he wanted to have a guest on

01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:40.720
his podcast and talk about these very same issues.

01:30:41.060 --> 01:30:45.900
And he reached out to me. He reached out to a few others. This would be a whole new show.

01:30:46.800 --> 01:30:52.140
Well, yeah, I know. I know. I know. But he wanted to discuss these types of things.

01:30:52.520 --> 01:30:57.840
And I was like, well, why don't we resurrect the value for value roundtable?

01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:00.460
Because we need to do that anyways. It's been a year.

01:31:00.660 --> 01:31:04.720
And just have you on as a guest so that you can talk with us and so forth.

01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:10.100
So that doesn't mean that your show is not going to be better because it probably will.

01:31:10.360 --> 01:31:14.200
And you should plug that at some point if you're going to do it.

01:31:14.200 --> 01:31:16.740
Are you going to do a show, something similar?

01:31:17.440 --> 01:31:20.820
I'm still running through stuff. I've got to, you know, Chad Farrow was ready

01:31:20.820 --> 01:31:25.000
to jump up and be in it. So I got to talk to Chad a little bit and see if he's still interested.

01:31:26.000 --> 01:31:29.540
Well, I never did hear from Salty. Salty Crayon, you need to respond to things.

01:31:30.480 --> 01:31:37.080
Salty ghosted you. He's responding. He did. I sent that message and got ghosted. He's the best.

01:31:38.260 --> 01:31:42.520
Salty Crayon is the best. I'm not saying anything bad about him,

01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.460
but then he ghosted me when I sent a message on Telegram.

01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:48.560
Salty's afraid that he's going to cut everybody out.

01:31:50.150 --> 01:31:54.590
Sometimes I have to mute all telegrams. Salty rocks. Sometimes I have to mute

01:31:54.590 --> 01:31:55.770
all telegrams, so I apologize.

01:31:56.510 --> 01:32:01.510
He just admitted he missed it in the chat room. We forgive you. It's all good.

01:32:02.350 --> 01:32:06.710
So, Randy, how can we reach you if you need to? What's the best way that we

01:32:06.710 --> 01:32:08.390
can consume your materials?

01:32:09.150 --> 01:32:13.070
The Mountain Music Happy Hour or M2H2, whichever name you prefer.

01:32:13.390 --> 01:32:20.510
You can find it m2h2music.com. or I now have mountainmusichappyhour.com that

01:32:20.510 --> 01:32:21.550
forwards to the other site.

01:32:22.370 --> 01:32:28.490
Well, I also noticed... Sorry. Sorry to interrupt you, but I also noticed that

01:32:28.490 --> 01:32:32.950
your personal website has a ton of really good information on it.

01:32:33.310 --> 01:32:38.030
Was it where you want to say that? A YouTube show without an RSS feed is not a podcast. Just saying.

01:32:38.790 --> 01:32:41.210
There's a bunch of really good information that you have up there.

01:32:41.370 --> 01:32:45.990
You kind of are doing what I was doing with v4vmusic.com. And so could you tell

01:32:45.990 --> 01:32:48.190
the audience a little bit about that? Because that's interesting to me.

01:32:48.550 --> 01:32:53.410
What I've done is, you know, because my job is in IT. I work for a school system and I work in IT.

01:32:54.550 --> 01:32:58.250
So, and before that, I was a teacher. I was in the classroom and I taught kids.

01:32:58.370 --> 01:33:00.050
I taught history and I love teaching.

01:33:00.210 --> 01:33:04.890
I love being able to take content and putting it in a way that people can understand it and use it.

01:33:05.250 --> 01:33:10.470
So what I started doing is taking these things and posting them on my personal

01:33:10.470 --> 01:33:12.470
site at randallblack.com.

01:33:12.770 --> 01:33:14.610
Greatest website in the world. You should go visit it right now.

01:33:14.610 --> 01:33:22.750
Randall black.com because it's Randall black.com R a N D a L L Randall black.com

01:33:22.750 --> 01:33:26.310
because some guy in Las Vegas has Randy black.com and he's been sitting on it

01:33:26.310 --> 01:33:28.590
for 15 years and he won't give it to me. Um,

01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.700
But what I've started doing, like I've started taking things that I'm doing

01:33:32.700 --> 01:33:37.060
in my own work and what I'm doing in my own life and what I'm doing with podcasting

01:33:37.060 --> 01:33:39.540
and things and writing that content up.

01:33:39.660 --> 01:33:45.940
So, you know, I've got an article that why a YouTube show that's not distributed via RSS is not a podcast.

01:33:46.340 --> 01:33:51.300
I've got an article about setting up a Cloudflare tunnel to make Owncast,

01:33:51.700 --> 01:33:56.740
which is a self-hosted live stream server, make it available through your personal

01:33:56.740 --> 01:33:58.240
firewall and everything with the Cloudflare tunnel.

01:33:58.240 --> 01:34:03.840
I've got on there how to use Sovereign Feeds and the Split Kit and Bunny.net

01:34:03.840 --> 01:34:07.840
to host your own podcast and have full control of it.

01:34:09.340 --> 01:34:14.240
It's just stuff that I'm writing because I want to get this information out there for people.

01:34:14.480 --> 01:34:17.660
And some of it is cross-posted to another domain I have.

01:34:18.440 --> 01:34:23.660
I call my home studio Johns Creek Studios because I live on Johns Creek in the

01:34:23.660 --> 01:34:25.040
little town of Milton, West Virginia.

01:34:27.040 --> 01:34:30.280
And there's stuff posted there that's the same. And there's a lot of podcasting

01:34:30.280 --> 01:34:31.520
stuff that's posted over there too.

01:34:32.600 --> 01:34:39.480
But, you know, the music show, m2h2music.com, if you're interested in the content

01:34:39.480 --> 01:34:43.720
I'm building related to the Bible and the study I'm doing and then sharing that out.

01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:48.560
Like I'm just like this week, I will be finishing episode 37 and that will be

01:34:48.560 --> 01:34:50.780
the last of the 37 miracles of Jesus.

01:34:51.720 --> 01:34:56.140
And that's Bible Bytes at Bible-BytesBY. T E S.com.

01:34:56.540 --> 01:35:01.340
Um, those are my two active podcasts. The ones I work on and the ones I love.

01:35:01.620 --> 01:35:06.140
Um, don't get me wrong. The music show is awesome. I love doing it,

01:35:06.660 --> 01:35:08.000
but Bible bites is my passion.

01:35:09.220 --> 01:35:10.880
That's the one I want to be my legacy.

01:35:12.140 --> 01:35:16.360
Nice. Well, I, I enjoy listening to them. I'm about six episodes behind,

01:35:16.380 --> 01:35:20.980
so I got to catch up, but, um, I do listen to them and I do enjoy them.

01:35:22.843 --> 01:35:25.783
You're probably not as far behind as my wife is.

01:35:28.343 --> 01:35:31.883
None of my family listens to any of my shows. I'm trying to get her to podcast.

01:35:32.103 --> 01:35:34.203
I have a cover art. I have a title.

01:35:34.443 --> 01:35:38.483
She won't do it. And I keep pushing. I keep telling people, I've got this great

01:35:38.483 --> 01:35:40.323
idea for a podcast and Beth won't do it.

01:35:40.643 --> 01:35:43.203
So we'll see how it goes.

01:35:43.763 --> 01:35:47.503
Same thing with my son. I've been trying to get my son to do stuff on a previous

01:35:47.503 --> 01:35:50.403
show I did previously. He was on two different times talking about stuff for

01:35:50.403 --> 01:35:52.203
school because it was an education podcast.

01:35:52.783 --> 01:35:56.403
Um, but like I said, this, for me, this is my hobby.

01:35:56.543 --> 01:36:00.203
This is me doing something that I love, something I enjoy, and I'm hoping people

01:36:00.203 --> 01:36:02.703
get value out of it. It's not about me making money.

01:36:02.823 --> 01:36:06.463
It's not about me earning something from it. It's about giving people something

01:36:06.463 --> 01:36:09.083
that they find valuable. A servant. That's awesome.

01:36:09.703 --> 01:36:14.683
TJ. So, um, speaking of family and all that stuff, you are very lucky to have

01:36:14.683 --> 01:36:16.723
your family or fortunate.

01:36:16.923 --> 01:36:20.143
I don't like using the word luck because it seems weird, but you're

01:36:20.143 --> 01:36:23.123
very fortunate to have your your family who has always been

01:36:23.123 --> 01:36:26.343
behind you or appears to be at least uh you

01:36:26.343 --> 01:36:29.603
know your mom and your dad were both listening to us in the end and

01:36:29.603 --> 01:36:33.283
uh were participants in the chat room um last

01:36:33.283 --> 01:36:36.723
week you did a show with jimmy v and afterwards

01:36:36.723 --> 01:36:41.263
you know you and your son practiced music together and it was so awesome he

01:36:41.263 --> 01:36:45.883
is getting so good on the guitar I'm incredibly jealous because I've been playing

01:36:45.883 --> 01:36:50.903
guitar since I was 15 I'm 50 now and I'm not nearly as good as he is and that

01:36:50.903 --> 01:36:53.283
just makes me jealous, but, you know, whatever.

01:36:53.463 --> 01:36:56.223
I'm super proud of him. I imagine you are as well.

01:36:57.423 --> 01:37:01.343
Where can people find out more information about you, Sir TJ the Wrathful?

01:37:02.111 --> 01:37:07.531
Absolutely. I mentioned it earlier. The best place is doorfulverse.com.

01:37:07.731 --> 01:37:12.111
Our last name's very strange. You know, it actually means small village in German. Did you know that?

01:37:13.051 --> 01:37:14.471
Anyways. Oh, I thought it meant small door.

01:37:16.751 --> 01:37:23.751
So, doorful is D-O-E-R-F as in Frank. E-L, doorfell. Doorfellverse.com.

01:37:24.311 --> 01:37:28.931
And you can get in touch with me, tj at doorfulverse.com. That's my email.

01:37:29.131 --> 01:37:32.371
Or I'm in the telegrams. everywhere I'm happy to help

01:37:32.371 --> 01:37:35.291
with what I can I'm not an expert but I like

01:37:35.291 --> 01:37:38.131
uh sharing what I do know and giving you

01:37:38.131 --> 01:37:41.571
know guidance when I can and yeah that's

01:37:41.571 --> 01:37:44.431
that awesome and jimmy

01:37:44.431 --> 01:37:49.291
v the canadian extraordinary musician the

01:37:49.291 --> 01:37:53.151
old man that yells at clouds everybody loves and

01:37:53.151 --> 01:37:55.791
uh you have been you have

01:37:55.791 --> 01:37:58.511
been doing a lot of music you put out a lot of music into

01:37:58.511 --> 01:38:02.111
the value verse and I know from talking with you that you have a lot more music

01:38:02.111 --> 01:38:05.311
that you can put out into the value verse you're just waiting for the right

01:38:05.311 --> 01:38:11.731
moment and uh coming soon we have uh jimmy what we call it groove hq is that

01:38:11.731 --> 01:38:16.751
the name of it groove hq live from groove hq where you're going to be able to participate,

01:38:18.291 --> 01:38:21.311
you're going to be able to participate in a lot of these value for value

01:38:21.311 --> 01:38:25.751
um live music shows hopefully we can get you on one of the satellite skirmishes

01:38:25.751 --> 01:38:30.131
we should talk to Booberry about that sometime maybe in the fall or the winter

01:38:30.131 --> 01:38:33.631
uh all depends on whether you can get your act together between now and then

01:38:33.631 --> 01:38:38.051
but um I would like if you could share with the audience what are the best ways

01:38:38.051 --> 01:38:40.531
for people to find information about Jimmy V.

01:38:42.971 --> 01:38:54.471
Google Jimmy V I do a lot of it I do a lot of stuff like I do a ton of like I'm a,

01:38:55.503 --> 01:39:00.423
I'm the most successful unknown social media influencer of all time.

01:39:00.663 --> 01:39:07.743
I have thousands of subscribers on YouTube and a couple thousand on TikTok.

01:39:10.243 --> 01:39:16.463
Old Canadian trucker. And I get hundreds of views on every one of my TikToks.

01:39:17.443 --> 01:39:21.343
Easy. Same with YouTube. Like, I get easy a few hundred views.

01:39:21.343 --> 01:39:24.743
Nobody like I don't I'm

01:39:24.743 --> 01:39:28.283
all over the place old canadian trucker

01:39:28.283 --> 01:39:35.903
jimmy v tv all that traditional bullshit and then of course there's uh a radio

01:39:35.903 --> 01:39:42.043
v the podcast and there's outside in the podcast and there's this podcast and

01:39:42.043 --> 01:39:46.183
do you have a website I'm always shooting my mouth off um,

01:39:47.023 --> 01:39:51.803
yeah I don't want to talk about it right now yeah do though but.

01:39:53.583 --> 01:39:58.923
But we'll deal with talk about that some other time when it it doesn't it's

01:39:58.923 --> 01:40:04.123
not the website I want at the moment so understandable it will be,

01:40:04.783 --> 01:40:11.783
it will be and I already have a jingle for it but listen I wanted there's a

01:40:11.783 --> 01:40:16.083
couple things I needed to say so So I invited,

01:40:16.343 --> 01:40:24.383
I've been communicating with a couple of appass prominent TikTokers and invited

01:40:24.383 --> 01:40:26.603
them to tune into this podcast.

01:40:26.983 --> 01:40:31.143
I doubt very much that if they did, they are still here.

01:40:31.283 --> 01:40:35.483
But if they are, they know exactly who I'm talking to because I sent them messages

01:40:35.483 --> 01:40:37.983
with links and now they're listening.

01:40:39.063 --> 01:40:47.283
So this is the real underbelly of podcasting here, the people who are really

01:40:47.283 --> 01:40:50.543
digging in in the dirt to make this stuff work.

01:40:50.543 --> 01:40:54.443
And it works pretty good.

01:40:55.703 --> 01:40:57.443
And go podcasting!

01:40:59.123 --> 01:40:59.263
Yeah.

01:41:01.563 --> 01:41:03.683
That's Sir Libre.

01:41:06.263 --> 01:41:13.203
Sir Libre do the we haven't talked much about your lightning thrashes and your

01:41:13.203 --> 01:41:17.783
contributions to this and your like,

01:41:20.257 --> 01:41:26.317
lightningthrashes.com is that right yes so I host the world's only value for

01:41:26.317 --> 01:41:31.257
value metal music podcast it's by definition the very best one that has ever

01:41:31.257 --> 01:41:34.677
been done because it's the only one that has ever been done and so you should

01:41:34.677 --> 01:41:36.617
check it out it's the best podcast in the universe,

01:41:37.217 --> 01:41:43.717
as far as value for value music goes um and I also have v4vmusic.com.

01:41:46.317 --> 01:41:49.937
Randy thinks that's him. No, for metal.

01:41:50.217 --> 01:41:53.217
For metal. I have the best metal music podcast. Randy doesn't have the best

01:41:53.217 --> 01:41:56.057
metal music podcast. I have the best one from West Virginia.

01:41:56.677 --> 01:42:01.437
Yes, you do. Absolutely. You have the hands down best podcast from West Virginia

01:42:01.437 --> 01:42:04.897
as far as music is concerned, as well as Bible stuff. Yeah.

01:42:05.337 --> 01:42:10.277
But I also do v4vmusic.com, which has some articles on there that needs to be

01:42:10.277 --> 01:42:14.977
revamped. I have done some tutorials on the split kit as well as music side

01:42:14.977 --> 01:42:17.037
project that are on my odyssey channel.

01:42:17.237 --> 01:42:20.277
You can search for lightning thrashes there, but they're old.

01:42:20.437 --> 01:42:23.217
I need to revamp everything. I should probably get rid of Randy to be honest.

01:42:23.257 --> 01:42:25.657
And we should probably collaborate on some really amazing tutorials.

01:42:25.857 --> 01:42:28.657
Cause there are a lot of things need to be done. I have been a,

01:42:28.657 --> 01:42:30.697
a proponent from this, from the beginning.

01:42:30.837 --> 01:42:35.157
Once I heard Adam Curry do his Boostagram Ball, I'm like, I can do that.

01:42:36.657 --> 01:42:41.457
And so here I am. That's how I got into music. Right.

01:42:41.937 --> 01:42:45.257
77 or 78 episodes into it over a year.

01:42:45.497 --> 01:42:48.997
And I've been doing it and I haven't missed a show yet. And I'm also doing a

01:42:48.997 --> 01:42:53.117
live episodes of lightning thrashes at 7 PM central time.

01:42:53.337 --> 01:42:58.797
Uh, you can find that at lit.lightningthrashes.com. That's lit.lightningthrashes.com.

01:42:58.977 --> 01:43:01.957
And that's pretty much Sir Libre in a nutshell.

01:43:02.997 --> 01:43:05.237
That's when you remember. Right.

01:43:09.157 --> 01:43:18.517
Okay. Gentlemen. so this was uh while here I'll just shut up and I'll do it all right,

01:43:20.237 --> 01:43:23.137
hey see I got to yell at you once too

01:43:23.137 --> 01:43:26.557
that's good um hey ladies and

01:43:26.557 --> 01:43:29.477
gentlemen boys and girls thank you very very much

01:43:29.477 --> 01:43:32.737
for joining us for this episode of v4v

01:43:32.737 --> 01:43:35.897
roundtable podcast we of

01:43:35.897 --> 01:43:39.397
course have been uh um sir tj

01:43:39.397 --> 01:43:42.717
the wrathful and sir lee bray and randall

01:43:42.717 --> 01:43:45.737
black and um I probably should

01:43:45.737 --> 01:43:49.517
have used more words there like described

01:43:49.517 --> 01:43:52.657
who these people are but if you don't already know

01:43:52.657 --> 01:43:56.077
then no I can't help you so

01:43:56.077 --> 01:43:59.037
thank you very much for joining us on this show

01:43:59.037 --> 01:44:06.357
and please uh tune in next week or next time or well hopefully it won't be next

01:44:06.357 --> 01:44:14.437
year but tune in next week for the b4v roundtable podcast thank you very much

01:44:14.437 --> 01:44:18.497
you're on your own good night and remember to like and subscribe.